Both Sherlock and I told you to use a recent nightly flatpak build. Regards, John Ralls
> On Oct 24, 2025, at 2:39 PM, Keith Myers <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have not found the orignal 5.12 package I had installed in any Trash or > caches on this host. > > I found the 5.12 version in the PPA by digging down in their builds. > https://launchpad.net/~gnucash/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages > > But it is assigned for the Ubuntu 24.10 release and when I tried to install > it, it would not because of missing dependencies. > > So I am once again back on the Flatpak version. I reinstalled the 5.13-1 > version commit when I did flatpak install org.gnucash.GnuCash in the > terminal. It identifies as 5.13-unknown-commit (Flathub 5.13-1) but is > marked Stable so maybe that is just the latest packaging. It seems to have > the unable to save column widths bug fixed so I have stayed with that so far. > I don't have a scheduled payment transaction due until 10/28 so I won't know > until then whether that crash bug has been fixed. If it hasn't then I will > just go and reinstall the latest 5.12 Flatpak commit. > > I've attempted to subscribe multiple times to the list but I must be doing > something wrong since I never receive the confirmation email. I am using > this URL. gnucash-user Info Page > I input my email address, user name and password. Then toggle digest form > and hit the subscribe button. I get this page in response. > gnucash-user Subscription resultsYour subscription request has been received, > and will soon be acted upon. Depending on the configuration of this mailing > list, your subscription request may have to be first confirmed by you via > email, or approved by the list moderator. If confirmation is required, you > will soon get a confirmation email which contains further instructions. > > > But the process never works apparently as I am still not a member of the > list. I've done this probably half a dozen times now. > > gnucash-user Info Page > > > > On Friday, October 24, 2025 at 01:20:32 PM PDT, John Ralls > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I wasn’t able to find the 5.12 ppa online anywhere. You might still have it > in a cache somewhere. > > If you’re going into the moderation queue then you need to subscribe to the > list at https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user. > > If you’re not subscribed your posts still get to the list, they just have to > wait for Liz the moderator to pass them through. That’s what “held for > approval” means. If you’re not subscribed you’ll only get the list mails that > happen to copy you; when you subscribe you’ll get all of them. > > Regards, > John Ralls > > > On Oct 24, 2025, at 10:11 AM, Keith Myers <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ok, I must have done that at sometime and forgotten about since I have two > > empty documents called gnucash-ubuntu-ppa-noble.sources and > > gnucash-ubuntu-ppa-noble.sources.save in /etc/apt/ > > I guess that source needs to be reinstalled. > > I will reinstall the PPA 5.12 package now that I know it exists there. > > > > Also, can you explain what I still am doing wrong with this list since I > > continue to get messages telling me the moderator has held my messages for > > approval because I am not a subscriber to the list. > > > > I must be sending my messages to the list somehow because I continue to get > > comment replies to me from several members. So I am a subscriber or not? I > > went through the process but I guess it didn't work since I clicked digest > > form when I signed up but I am only receiveing single discrete replies from > > the list and not the digest. > > > > On Friday, October 24, 2025 at 09:10:51 AM PDT, John Ralls > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, you succeeded in copying the list. > > > > You haven’t shown the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list and > > /etc/apt/sources.list.d: Those files contain the repositories from which > > apt gets packages. You’ve probably added ppa:gnucash/+archive/ubuntu/ppa: > > The package names in your apt-upgrade output are consistent with the PPA > > packages at https://launchpad.net/~gnucash/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/ while > > official Ubuntu packages don’t have the “~ubuntu2404” suffix. PPAs are > > community-created packages, not official Ubuntu ones. Big picture it > > doesn’t really matter to anyone but you how you got 5.13. It’s installed, > > it doesn’t work for you, and you need to back it out. > > > > If there’s an archive of old .deb or PPAs out there I can’t find it, so it > > seems that your downgrade choices are the official 5.5 for 24.04 or 5.10 > > for 25.04. 25.10 picks up 5.13 that you’re already at. A discussion about > > downgrading can be found at > > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/545815/what-is-the-correct-way-to-downgrade-apt-package-and-dependencies. > > > > Distribution packages are the responsibility of distributions, and > > generally include dependency requirements that tie them to a particular > > version of a particular distribution. That’s why the PPA gnucash that you > > installed has the ~ubuntu02404 suffix and there are other packages with > > different suffixes on the PPA page. Maintaining the infrastructure to > > create packages for even the major distributions would be overwhelming. > > > > Regards, > > John Ralls > > > >> On Oct 23, 2025, at 20:28, Keith Myers <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> I don't know how to do that. Could you please educate me how to copy the > >> list when I reply to this message. > >> > >> The only repo I have is the one provided by Ubuntu 24.03.LTS as shown in > >> my prior reply. The apt policy gnucash command shows that > >> 1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404 -1 comes up when polling for what is available > >> from the distro. > >> > >> I got upgraded on 10-04-2025 via the teminal with an apt update. > >> > >> Start-Date: 2025-10-04 13:37:41 > >> Commandline: apt upgrade > >> Requested-By: keith (1000) > >> Upgrade: gnucash-common:amd64 (1:5.12-0build1~ubuntu2404, > >> 1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404), gnucash:amd64 (1:5.12-0build1~ubuntu2404, > >> 1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404), python3-gnucash:amd64 > >> (1:5.12-0build1~ubuntu2404, 1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404) > >> End-Date: 2025-10-04 13:37:43 > >> > >> > >> > >> Log started: 2025-10-04 13:37:41 > >> (Reading database ... > >> (Reading database ... 5% > >> (Reading database ... 10% > >> (Reading database ... 15% > >> (Reading database ... 20% > >> (Reading database ... 25% > >> (Reading database ... 30% > >> (Reading database ... 35% > >> (Reading database ... 40% > >> (Reading database ... 45% > >> (Reading database ... 50% > >> (Reading database ... 55% > >> (Reading database ... 60% > >> (Reading database ... 65% > >> (Reading database ... 70% > >> (Reading database ... 75% > >> (Reading database ... 80% > >> (Reading database ... 85% > >> (Reading database ... 90% > >> (Reading database ... 95% > >> (Reading database ... 100% > >> (Reading database ... 315493 files and directories currently installed.) > >> Preparing to unpack .../gnucash_1%3a5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404_amd64.deb ... > >> Unpacking gnucash (1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404) over > >> (1:5.12-0build1~ubuntu2404) ... > >> Preparing to unpack .../gnucash-common_1%3a5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404_all.deb > >> ... > >> Unpacking gnucash-common (1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404) over > >> (1:5.12-0build1~ubuntu2404) ... > >> Preparing to unpack > >> .../python3-gnucash_1%3a5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404_amd64.deb ... > >> Unpacking python3-gnucash (1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404) over > >> (1:5.12-0build1~ubuntu2404) ... > >> Setting up python3-gnucash (1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404) ... > >> Setting up gnucash-common (1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404) ... > >> Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.27-2build1) ... > >> Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.17-2) ... > >> Processing triggers for gnome-menus (3.36.0-1.1ubuntu3) ... > >> Processing triggers for man-db (2.12.0-4build2) ... > >> Processing triggers for libglib2.0-0t64:i386 (2.80.0-6ubuntu3.4) ... > >> Processing triggers for libglib2.0-0t64:amd64 (2.80.0-6ubuntu3.4) ... > >> Processing triggers for mailcap (3.70+nmu1ubuntu1) ... > >> Setting up gnucash (1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404) ... > >> > >> When I discovered the problem with 5.13 and scheduled payments I tried to > >> go back to 5.12 but the distro had expunged that version and only provided > >> the new 5.13. > >> > >> Thank you for providing the location of the nightly builds. But dismayed > >> that it only has Windows and Flatpak versions. I was looking for my > >> original Debian installation package for version 5.12. I don't see any > >> Debian deb packages in the nightly builds directory. > >> > >> I don't see how you can contradict my statement that I was automatically > >> updated from debian version 5.12 to version 5.13 when I have provided you > >> the terminal history logs showing exactly that was what happened. > >> > >> Taking a shot that I might have figured out how to copy to the list. Hope > >> it the correct way. > >> > >> On Thursday, October 23, 2025 at 07:44:10 PM PDT, John Ralls > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Please remember to copy the list on all replies. > >> > >> What apt repo is providing 5.13? Ubuntu’s package search shows only 5.5-1 > >> for 24.04 for noble main, any section: > >> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnucash&searchon=names&suite=noble§ion=all > >> and nothing in noble-backports: > >> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnucash&searchon=names&suite=noble-backports§ion=all > >> and noble-updates: > >> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnucash&searchon=names&suite=noble-updates§ion=all > >> > >> If you’ve enabled a third-party or community repository that provides > >> newer releases that’s fine, but in that case you shouldn’t claim that > >> Ubuntu automatically updated you. > >> > >> The nightly builds are at https://code.gnucash.org/builds/flatpak/stable. > >> See > >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Flatpak#Nightly_Test_Versions_at_gnucash.org > >> for installation instructions. > >> > >> Regards, > >> John Ralls > >> > >>> On Oct 23, 2025, at 18:29, Keith Myers <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >> I believe you are mistaken. My Ubuntu release identifies as: > >> > >> $ lsb_release -a > >> No LSB modules are available. > >> Distributor ID: Ubuntu > >> Description: Ubuntu 24.04.3 LTS > >> Release: 24.04 > >> Codename: noble > >> > >> My distro package manager apt for Ubuntu 24.04.3 LTS provides the 5.5 and > >> 5.13 Gnucash packages now. Prior to the automatic upgrade of Gnucash, the > >> distro was providing Gnucash 5.12 and the 5.5 packages. I was on 5.12 and > >> was updated automatically to 5.13 and that was when Gnucash broke and I > >> was unable to pay scheduled bills. > >> > >> $ apt policy gnucash > >> gnucash: > >> Installed: (none) > >> Candidate: 1:5.5-1.2build1 > >> Version table: > >> 1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404 -1 > >> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > >> 1:5.5-1.2build1 500 > >> 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu noble/universe amd64 > >> Packages > >> > >> I have installed the flatpak 5.13 version which is broken still for > >> running scheduled payments without instant crashing. I discovered that I > >> have to intall the 5.13 flatpak version first before downgrading to the > >> 5.12 flatpak commits which gets bill payments working again. I see that > >> the 5.12 commit installed the 1.66 F:Q module and it runs without breaking > >> now. The prior attempt to run one of the 5.12 commits installed the 1.65 > >> F:Q module and that was broken for retrieving quotes. > >> > >> I have looked for the nightly builds you speak of but I have not been able > >> to find them. Could you please be more specific to their actual location > >> other than https://code.gnucash.org/ > >> I don't have the required knowledge to build the source code myself and > >> only have been able to install pre-built packages, either Debian or > >> Flatpak. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thursday, October 23, 2025 at 05:49:32 PM PDT, John Ralls > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Oct 23, 2025, at 10:56 AM, Keith Myers <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > Ever since my Ubuntu 24.04 distro automatically upgraded me from my > >> > previously eminently stable version 5.12 to the new version 5.13 I have > >> > been unable to pay any of my scheduled bills. The program instantly > >> > exits with a crash. > >> > I have been advised to install to install the Flatpak version 5.13 but > >> > this too has the same exact problem of crashing when you attempt to pay > >> > a scheduled bill. > >> > I have only been able to downgrade the Flatpak version 5.13 to and older > >> > 5.12 commit and that has allowed me to pay my bills. > >> > But the unfortunate side effect is that this 5.12 version has broken > >> > Finance:Quote version 1.67 so I an now unable to pull any of my security > >> > quotes. > >> > When will this fiasco with the official stable 5.13 be resolved? > >> > >> > >> Your Ubuntu 24.04 didn’t automatically upgrade you to GnuCash 5.13. Ubuntu > >> doesn’t do that with GnuCash, so 24.04 provides only the version of > >> GnuCash that was available in April 2024, 5.5: > >> https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/gnucash. > >> The latest Ubuntu release, 25.10 “Questing Quokka” has GnuCash 5.13. > >> Perhaps that's what you’re actually running. > >> > >> Next, the 5.12 flatpak didn’t break F::Q 1.67, it doesn’t *have* F::Q > >> 1.67, it has 1.65. Flatpak sandboxing means that the flatpak has to > >> contain F::Q and all of its dependencies, so it gets what was current when > >> it was built. > >> > >> That aside, once a release is done, it’s done. We may repackage it—I did > >> so for flatpak a couple of days ago because the original Gnome Runtime was > >> obsolete—but GnuCash 5.13 is what it is. GnuCash 5.14 will be along in a > >> little over 8 weeks. In the meantime you can either go back to 5.12, > >> install the latest flatpak nightly build from GnuCash GIT, Wiki, and Email > >> List/Archive Server or build GnuCash stable from source. That latest > >> flatpak nightly also has F::Q 1.67. > >> > >> Regards, > >> John Ralls > >> > >> GnuCash GIT, Wiki, and Email List/Archive Server > >> > >> > >> <Screenshot from 2025-10-23 18-16-50.png> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list [email protected] To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
