Ok, I must have done that at sometime and forgotten about since I have two
empty documents called gnucash-ubuntu-ppa-noble.sources and
gnucash-ubuntu-ppa-noble.sources.save in /etc/apt/I guess that source needs to
be reinstalled.I will reinstall the PPA 5.12 package now that I know it exists
there.
Also, can you explain what I still am doing wrong with this list since I
continue to get messages telling me the moderator has held my messages for
approval because I am not a subscriber to the list.
I must be sending my messages to the list somehow because I continue to get
comment replies to me from several members. So I am a subscriber or not? I
went through the process but I guess it didn't work since I clicked digest form
when I signed up but I am only receiveing single discrete replies from the list
and not the digest.
On Friday, October 24, 2025 at 09:10:51 AM PDT, John Ralls
<[email protected]> wrote:
Yes, you succeeded in copying the list.
You haven’t shown the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list and
/etc/apt/sources.list.d: Those files contain the repositories from which apt
gets packages. You’ve probably added ppa:gnucash/+archive/ubuntu/ppa: The
package names in your apt-upgrade output are consistent with the PPA packages
at https://launchpad.net/~gnucash/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/ while official Ubuntu
packages don’t have the “~ubuntu2404” suffix. PPAs are community-created
packages, not official Ubuntu ones. Big picture it doesn’t really matter to
anyone but you how you got 5.13. It’s installed, it doesn’t work for you, and
you need to back it out.
If there’s an archive of old .deb or PPAs out there I can’t find it, so it
seems that your downgrade choices are the official 5.5 for 24.04 or 5.10 for
25.04. 25.10 picks up 5.13 that you’re already at. A discussion about
downgrading can be found at
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/545815/what-is-the-correct-way-to-downgrade-apt-package-and-dependencies.
Distribution packages are the responsibility of distributions, and generally
include dependency requirements that tie them to a particular version of a
particular distribution. That’s why the PPA gnucash that you installed has the
~ubuntu02404 suffix and there are other packages with different suffixes on the
PPA page. Maintaining the infrastructure to create packages for even the major
distributions would be overwhelming.
Regards,John Ralls
On Oct 23, 2025, at 20:28, Keith Myers <[email protected]> wrote:
I don't know how to do that. Could you please educate me how to copy the list
when I reply to this message.
The only repo I have is the one provided by Ubuntu 24.03.LTS as shown in my
prior reply. The apt policy gnucash command shows that
1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404 -1 comes up when polling for what is available from
the distro.
I got upgraded on 10-04-2025 via the teminal with an apt update.
Start-Date: 2025-10-04 13:37:41Commandline: apt upgradeRequested-By: keith
(1000)Upgrade: gnucash-common:amd64 (1:5.12-0build1~ubuntu2404,
1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404), gnucash:amd64 (1:5.12-0build1~ubuntu2404,
1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404), python3-gnucash:amd64 (1:5.12-0build1~ubuntu2404,
1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404)End-Date: 2025-10-04 13:37:43
Log started: 2025-10-04 13:37:41(Reading database ... (Reading database ...
5%(Reading database ... 10%(Reading database ... 15%(Reading database ...
20%(Reading database ... 25%(Reading database ... 30%(Reading database ...
35%(Reading database ... 40%(Reading database ... 45%(Reading database ...
50%(Reading database ... 55%(Reading database ... 60%(Reading database ...
65%(Reading database ... 70%(Reading database ... 75%(Reading database ...
80%(Reading database ... 85%(Reading database ... 90%(Reading database ...
95%(Reading database ... 100%(Reading database ... 315493 files and directories
currently installed.)Preparing to unpack
.../gnucash_1%3a5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404_amd64.deb ...Unpacking gnucash
(1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404) over (1:5.12-0build1~ubuntu2404) ...Preparing to
unpack .../gnucash-common_1%3a5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404_all.deb ...Unpacking
gnucash-common (1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404) over (1:5.12-0build1~ubuntu2404)
...Preparing to unpack
.../python3-gnucash_1%3a5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404_amd64.deb ...Unpacking
python3-gnucash (1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404) over (1:5.12-0build1~ubuntu2404)
...Setting up python3-gnucash (1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404) ...Setting up
gnucash-common (1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404) ...Processing triggers for
desktop-file-utils (0.27-2build1) ...Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme
(0.17-2) ...Processing triggers for gnome-menus (3.36.0-1.1ubuntu3)
...Processing triggers for man-db (2.12.0-4build2) ...Processing triggers for
libglib2.0-0t64:i386 (2.80.0-6ubuntu3.4) ...Processing triggers for
libglib2.0-0t64:amd64 (2.80.0-6ubuntu3.4) ...Processing triggers for mailcap
(3.70+nmu1ubuntu1) ...Setting up gnucash (1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404) ...
When I discovered the problem with 5.13 and scheduled payments I tried to go
back to 5.12 but the distro had expunged that version and only provided the new
5.13.
Thank you for providing the location of the nightly builds. But dismayed that
it only has Windows and Flatpak versions. I was looking for my original Debian
installation package for version 5.12. I don't see any Debian deb packages in
the nightly builds directory.
I don't see how you can contradict my statement that I was automatically
updated from debian version 5.12 to version 5.13 when I have provided you the
terminal history logs showing exactly that was what happened.
Taking a shot that I might have figured out how to copy to the list. Hope it
the correct way.
On Thursday, October 23, 2025 at 07:44:10 PM PDT, John Ralls
<[email protected]> wrote:
Please remember to copy the list on all replies.
What apt repo is providing 5.13? Ubuntu’s package search shows only 5.5-1 for
24.04 for noble main, any section:
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnucash&searchon=names&suite=noble§ion=all
and nothing in noble-backports:
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnucash&searchon=names&suite=noble-backports§ion=all
and noble-updates:
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnucash&searchon=names&suite=noble-updates§ion=all
If you’ve enabled a third-party or community repository that provides newer
releases that’s fine, but in that case you shouldn’t claim that Ubuntu
automatically updated you.
The nightly builds are at https://code.gnucash.org/builds/flatpak/stable. See
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Flatpak#Nightly_Test_Versions_at_gnucash.org for
installation instructions.
Regards,John Ralls
On Oct 23, 2025, at 18:29, Keith Myers <[email protected]> wrote:
I believe you are mistaken. My Ubuntu release identifies as:
$ lsb_release -aNo LSB modules are available.Distributor ID: UbuntuDescription:
Ubuntu 24.04.3 LTSRelease: 24.04Codename: noble
My distro package manager apt for Ubuntu 24.04.3 LTS provides the 5.5 and 5.13
Gnucash packages now. Prior to the automatic upgrade of Gnucash, the distro
was providing Gnucash 5.12 and the 5.5 packages. I was on 5.12 and was updated
automatically to 5.13 and that was when Gnucash broke and I was unable to pay
scheduled bills.
$ apt policy gnucashgnucash: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1:5.5-1.2build1
Version table: 1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404 -1 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
1:5.5-1.2build1 500 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
noble/universe amd64 Packages
I have installed the flatpak 5.13 version which is broken still for running
scheduled payments without instant crashing. I discovered that I have to
intall the 5.13 flatpak version first before downgrading to the 5.12 flatpak
commits which gets bill payments working again. I see that the 5.12 commit
installed the 1.66 F:Q module and it runs without breaking now. The prior
attempt to run one of the 5.12 commits installed the 1.65 F:Q module and that
was broken for retrieving quotes.
I have looked for the nightly builds you speak of but I have not been able to
find them. Could you please be more specific to their actual location other
than https://code.gnucash.org/
I don't have the required knowledge to build the source code myself and only
have been able to install pre-built packages, either Debian or Flatpak.
On Thursday, October 23, 2025 at 05:49:32 PM PDT, John Ralls
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 23, 2025, at 10:56 AM, Keith Myers <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Ever since my Ubuntu 24.04 distro automatically upgraded me from my
> previously eminently stable version 5.12 to the new version 5.13 I have been
> unable to pay any of my scheduled bills. The program instantly exits with a
> crash.
> I have been advised to install to install the Flatpak version 5.13 but this
> too has the same exact problem of crashing when you attempt to pay a
> scheduled bill.
> I have only been able to downgrade the Flatpak version 5.13 to and older 5.12
> commit and that has allowed me to pay my bills.
> But the unfortunate side effect is that this 5.12 version has broken
> Finance:Quote version 1.67 so I an now unable to pull any of my security
> quotes.
> When will this fiasco with the official stable 5.13 be resolved?
Your Ubuntu 24.04 didn’t automatically upgrade you to GnuCash 5.13. Ubuntu
doesn’t do that with GnuCash, so 24.04 provides only the version of GnuCash
that was available in April 2024, 5.5:
https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/gnucash.
The latest Ubuntu release, 25.10 “Questing Quokka” has GnuCash 5.13. Perhaps
that's what you’re actually running.
Next, the 5.12 flatpak didn’t break F::Q 1.67, it doesn’t *have* F::Q 1.67, it
has 1.65. Flatpak sandboxing means that the flatpak has to contain F::Q and all
of its dependencies, so it gets what was current when it was built.
That aside, once a release is done, it’s done. We may repackage it—I did so for
flatpak a couple of days ago because the original Gnome Runtime was
obsolete—but GnuCash 5.13 is what it is. GnuCash 5.14 will be along in a little
over 8 weeks. In the meantime you can either go back to 5.12, install the
latest flatpak nightly build from GnuCash GIT, Wiki, and Email List/Archive
Server or build GnuCash stable from source. That latest flatpak nightly also
has F::Q 1.67.
Regards,
John Ralls
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