Here is a list of the 10 smallest countries without any iron ore or big
industries that are all independent countries, rich and thriving. Your argument
falls completely flat:
• Vatican City (0.19 square miles)
• Monaco (0.78 square miles)
• Nauru (8.1 square miles)
• Tuvalu (10 square miles)
• San Marino (24 square miles)
• Liechtenstein (62 square miles)
• Marshall Islands (70 square miles)
• Saint Kitts and Nevis (101 square miles)
• Maldives (120 square miles)
• Malta (122 square miles)
> On 13 Dec 2023, at 11:03, Joao Paulo Cota <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> The economic blockade was designed to disrupt the imports from overseas and
> from inland India.
> Agree that Goa produced manpower for the three military branches, but having
> its own military bases, airports and naval quarters alongwith tanks, fighter
> jets, warships of all classes, are a total different ballgame.
> Goa's iron ore and other small industries would not generate enough GDP to
> fund all that plus run the state.
> It could never be an independent country. Just too small in size... although
> there were valid calls for this due to the unique Goan identity.
> Regards,
> Joao PauloFrom: [email protected]
> <[email protected]> on behalf of John de Figueiredo
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: 13 December 2023 01:03
> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [GRN] Pamphlets
> Valmiki Faleiro stated that the economic blockade placed by the Government
> of India proved Goa to be perfectly capable of being self-sufficient and he
> demonstrated that Goa produced distinguished officers in the army, Air Force,
> and navy. So that argument does not seem to be supported by data. All the
> pieces of the puzzle were in place but the puzzle was never solved.
> John
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>
>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 7:18 PM, Joao Paulo Cota <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Worth pointing out that Monaco does not have any army, air force or navy.
>> Its defence needs are being provided by France.
>> Hence the same analogy would mean, India would need to provide that to Goa,
>> being its immediate neighbour... realistically, I can't see that happening.
>> JP
>>
>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
>> on behalf of John de Figueiredo <[email protected]>
>> Sent: 12 December 2023 23:09
>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [GRN] Pamphlets
>> Good points, Frederick.
>> The geographical argument does not count either.
>> Monaco is of the size of 314 acres, with a population a little over 36,000,
>> speaking French, and surrounded all 3 sides by France. The third side is
>> along the sea just as Goa. But Monaco is an independent nation.
>> Bruto da Costa wanted a plebiscite for the Goans to decide on the future of
>> Goa. This plebiscite never took place.
>> At any rate, if flowers became concrete, this conversation is irrelevant
>> because the Goa we are discussing is no more.
>> John
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 4:02 PM, fredericknoronha <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Something makes me want to disagree with quite a few of the comments made,
>>> and conclusions drawn, below:
>>>
>>> (1) My reading is that Portugal dealt with East Timor in the way it did
>>> more due to the turmoil at that time in Portugal itself, the Carnation
>>> Revolution, abrupt change in political direction, etc. Open to correction
>>> here.
>>>
>>> (2) About Goa being a "rich basket", economic studies and other accepted
>>> analyses suggest otherwise. Salazar could have (rightly) seen a "domino
>>> effect" starting in Goa. Something that undercut the plank on which his
>>> ideology was based. Plus, in the Portuguese imagination over centuries, Goa
>>> meant something rather different. Call this emotional reasons, or whatever
>>> you wish.
>>>
>>> (3) "Indian patience ran out" is a shorthand argument which has,
>>> unfortunately, been widely accepted in our perspective on the issue. If you
>>> read the trajectory of events as outlined in Valmiki Faleiro's recent book,
>>> you might conclude otherwise.
>>>
>>> (4) 1961 in Goa has to be also viewed in the context of the Cold War. Some
>>> studies here have begun looking in that direction. This issue is not only
>>> about India and Portugal, let alone Goa.
>>>
>>> (5) This "France was wise" or "Portugal could have followed France" logic
>>> has been put forth repeatedly, and seldom challenged. It is based on an
>>> acute misunderstanding of what happened in Pondicherry. For instance, a
>>> perusal of the recently-published The Portuguese Presence in India (Notion
>>> Press, 2020) by João A de Menezes, p.198-212, could easily make one
>>> rethink this argument. This argument has come up a few times in this forum
>>> too, and then we end up taking it as accurate.
>>>
>>> FN
>>>
>>> On Wednesday 13 December 2023 at 01:58:43 UTC+5:30 eugene.correia wrote:
>>> Well, Portugal withdrew from East Timor, as the independence movement was
>>> fierce. I don't think Portugal keeping East Timor as one of its colonies
>>> would be a financial benefit. Seemingly, East Timor was a "basket case' for
>>> Portugal while Goa was a "rich basket". Colonial politics in those times
>>> rested on "gains and loses" and Portugal let go off of East Timor but
>>> reluctantly held on to Goa.
>>> As events proved later on, Indian patience ran out. Knowing well that
>>> Salszar would find it difficult to keep Goa in its embrace by engaging
>>> India in a war, it was a walk-over as we know it. Goa's freedom did ring a
>>> bell in African countries and the Non-Alignment Movement gained momentum
>>> and slowly but surely the continent of Africa was free of colonial rule. No
>>> self-respecting people like subjugation by a foreign power when the
>>> people's consciousness and national pride comes to the fore.
>>> What would happen to Goa if it continued to be under Portuguese rule is
>>> nobody's guess. France was wise, as it earned respect. Portugal was humbled
>>> and disgraced. History is dotted with such examples.
>>>
>>> Eugene Correia
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