Thank you very much Roland, John as well as Dr. Figueiredo, I had no knowledge of all these facts and now I have gleaned tremendously from this thread. Thank you very much. My best wishes and take care. Sonia
On Sat, 13 Jul, 2024, 12:29 pm JOHN DE FIGUEIREDO, <[email protected]> wrote: > Worth remembering:the following "Descendentes" who most certainly were not > "xenophobic":: > Tomás de Aquino Mourão Garcez Palha: expert in Konkani, Marathi, and > Sanskrit, who encouraged Varde Valaulicar to devote himself to the > uplifiting of Konkani because in his opinion Konkani, not Marathi, was the > mother tongue of all Goans > Cristóvão Aires, a wonderful poet, who described India as his "berço meu > amado" (:my beloved cradle) > Ferreira Martins, a distinguished historian, who translated to Portuguese > Kalidasa's poem Shankuntala and Tagore's poems Gitanjali and Chitra > Fernando Leal, another wonderful poet, who wrote poetry based on themes of > Hindu epics and praised the distinguished Goan poet Floriano Barreto > The countless "Descendentes" who were slaughtered during the Gaspar Dias > Fortress incident "in the flower of their age" (to quote Miguel Vicente de > Abreu) by the insurrectionists who deposed Bernardo Peres da Silva; those > "Descendentes" were there to defend the fortress and they were ready to die > for Peres da Silva and his Liberal Cause.(and yet we have distinguished > Goan historians like Teotónio de Sousa and Leopoldo da Rocha calling that > insurrection a "mestiço revolt" and shoving that incident and other brave > "Descendentes" who were loyal to Peres da Silva under the rug) > Calling them "xenophobic" would be offending their memories and falsifying > history to satisfy our political appetites.. > Compare them to Bishop Mateus de Castro (sometimes called "Mahale", a name > he does not appear to have ever used) who believed that only Brahmans > should be Bishops and who was a racist and a castist by his own admission. > John M. de Figueiredo > > > On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 02:37:38 PM EDT, 'Nuno Cardoso da Silva' via > Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> wrote: > > > "...xenophobic mestiços or descendentes..." > > I love generalizations... > > Nuno > > *Sent:* Monday, July 01, 2024 at 12:01 PM > *From:* "'Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net" < > [email protected]> > *To:* "[email protected]" < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [GRN] Indian cinema and Vasco de Gama > > John > > URUMI, was a huge success and was seen by millions who got an idea of > the history of the past. I have now learned that the film was shown in > the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Qatar, Kuwait, Canada, UK and others. > The names Rivara, etc. that you mentioned are a drop in the ocean. You > should have mentioned the thousands of racists, exploiters, slavers, entire > villages massacred, criminal exiles sent to the colonies, the bloodthirsty > political police (PIDE/DGS), the xenophobic mestiços or descendentes, etc. > “Colonization itself” is an aberration. > For this reason, all colonized peoples fought relentlessly and the > statues of false heroes were torn down. We must not forget that the > Portuguese people also suffered a lot. > > > > On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 07:09:34 AM GMT+1, John de Figueiredo < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > “The colonizer … presents the colonized as savage and ignorant”. > Assuming that “colonizer” refers to Europeans or their descendants: what > would make Afonso de Albuquerque say that Goan carpenters were better than > those from Germany? And Garcia d’Orta refer to Hindu physicians as “great > scholars”? And Tomas Ribeiro praise the Goan talent for literature? And > Cunha Rivara and Garces Palha encourage Goans to study their language? And > Osorio Castro establish a Museum of Hindu Art and Archaeology in Velha Goa > (Old Goa)? And Ferreira Martins translate Tagore’s poetry? And Cristóvão > Aires find inspiration in Indian epics? > With all due respect, in the case of Goa at least, such generalizations > are not helpful. > John M. de Figueiredo > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 28, 2024, at 11:57 PM, 'Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Urumi : The Warriors Who Wanted to Kill Vasco Da Gama, is a 2011 Indian > Malayalam Language epic historical drama film. > > Urumi is a double-edged, long and narrow flexible sword-like weapon that > is fixed to the combatant´s waist like belt. > > The film is set in the early 16th century, when the Portuguese dominated > the Indian Ocean. The story follows Murikkancheri Kelu , seeking to avenge > the death of his father at the hands of the portuguese colonizers. > > The plot also incorporates such historical figures as Estêvão da Gama and > Vasco da Gama. > > This film marks the debut of Genelia D'Souza in Malayalam Cinema. > > Award, Imagineindia Internacional Film Festival Madrid : best film e best > director. > > As in many indian films, there are hyperbolic scenes, but the objective > was to instill in Indian viewers a vision of what the colonial empire was, > beyond what appears in school textbooks. It was viewed by millions of > speakers of Hindi, Tamil, Telugu and Malayalam languages. > > The story cannot always be Eurocentric, but must contain the point of view > of the colonized. The colonizer boasts of heroic deeds on a grand scale and > presents the colonized as savage and ignorant. This film demonstrated to > millions of Indian viewers what the invader was made of. > > > In this long video Vasco appears in the 16th minutes and one can hear > words spoken in Portuguese. > > > > Urumi Tamil Full Movie | Prithviraj | Prabhu Deva | Santosh Sivan | Arya | > Genelia | Vidya Balan <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omg3-ZuohM8> > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omg3-ZuohM8> Urumi Tamil Full Movie | > Prithviraj | Prabhu Deva | Santosh Sivan | Arya... > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omg3-ZuohM8> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/1268861778.8417750.1719313148539%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/1268861778.8417750.1719313148539%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/54C8FECC-310C-46B3-B7CE-70B930C87AF1%40sbcglobal.net > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/54C8FECC-310C-46B3-B7CE-70B930C87AF1%40sbcglobal.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/739598221.515410.1719831682947%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/739598221.515410.1719831682947%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/trinity-241c7901-e453-416e-b5d3-110f869a194b-1719844244212%403c-app-mailcom-bs11 > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/trinity-241c7901-e453-416e-b5d3-110f869a194b-1719844244212%403c-app-mailcom-bs11?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/370345894.113302.1720845904387%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/370345894.113302.1720845904387%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. 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