Come on, Pedro! I could not go back to 514 years ago, then move forward in time for 451 years to “personally inquire with the people in the villages to understand the situation in loco”. I am dealing with history as revealed by existing documents. Folclore is not history.John Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2024, at 4:24 PM, 'Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> wrote:
The names you
mention represent a minority compared to the many anonymous mixed race or
descendants who were xenophobes, such as what happened in the Goa’s Liceu.
Did you
personally inquire with people in the villages to understand the situation «in loco»?
Please read :
A memória pública da presença
portuguesa em Goa no folclore em Concani de Teotónio R. de Souza de
10/may/2018. (search on google).
«…….The reasons that led mestizos to
manifest racist tendencies in Goa and the Northern Province were not very
different. As part of Pombal's administrative reforms, the army was
abolished, which gave “descendants” a privileged position of power and
domination. The viceroy had to issue an edict in Goa with the following
content: «the pride that dominates this part of the world, is the original
cause of the dejection of these miserable naturals... I also call the Portuguese the mestizos because in
them even more than in the same Europeans that Luciferian vice reigns more”.
The edict prohibited white people from calling natives “blacks” and “dogs”[6].
At this juncture of colonial issues, the Konkani proverb must have appeared: Sorop mhonncho nhoi dakhlo,
firngi mhonncho nhoi aplo (= Don't say that the snake is small nor that the
Portuguese is our friend). It was to say that both should be treated as
equally dangerous…..»
Não
eram muito diferentes os motivos que levavam os mestiços a manifestar
tendências racistas em Goa e na Província do Norte. Como parte das
reformas administrativas de Pombal foi abolido o exército que dava aos
«descendentes» uma posição privilegiada de poder e dominação. O vice-rei teve
que emitir em Goa um édito do seguinte teor: «a soberba que domina nesta parte
do mundo, é a causa originária do abatimento destes miseráveis naturais… chamo
também Portugueses aos mestiços porque nestes ainda mais que nos mesmos
Europeus reina mais aquele luciferino vício». O edital proibia aos brancos
designar os naturais por «negros» e «cachorros»[6]. Nessa
conjuntura da problemática colonial deve ter surgido o provérbio Konkani: Sorop
mhonncho nhoi dakhlo, firngi mhonncho nhoi aplo (= Não se diga que a
cobra é pequena nem que o português é nosso amigo). Era para dizer que ambos
deviam ser tratados como igualmente perigosos.
On Saturday, July 13, 2024 at 07:59:23 AM GMT+1, JOHN DE FIGUEIREDO < [email protected]> wrote:
Worth remembering:the following "Descendentes" who most certainly were not "xenophobic":: Tomás de Aquino Mourão Garcez Palha: expert in Konkani, Marathi, and Sanskrit, who encouraged Varde Valaulicar to devote himself to the uplifiting of Konkani because in his opinion Konkani, not Marathi, was the mother tongue of all Goans Cristóvão Aires, a wonderful poet, who described India as his "berço meu amado" (:my beloved cradle) Ferreira Martins, a distinguished historian, who translated to Portuguese Kalidasa's poem Shankuntala and Tagore's poems Gitanjali and Chitra Fernando Leal, another wonderful poet, who wrote poetry based on themes of Hindu epics and praised the distinguished Goan poet Floriano Barreto The countless "Descendentes" who were slaughtered during the Gaspar Dias Fortress incident "in the flower of their age" (to quote Miguel Vicente de Abreu) by the insurrectionists who deposed Bernardo Peres da Silva; those "Descendentes" were there to defend the fortress and they were ready to die for Peres da Silva and his Liberal Cause.(and yet we have distinguished Goan historians like Teotónio de Sousa and Leopoldo da Rocha calling that insurrection a "mestiço revolt" and shoving that incident and other brave "Descendentes" who were loyal to Peres da Silva under the rug) Calling them "xenophobic" would be offending their memories and falsifying history to satisfy our political appetites.. Compare them to Bishop Mateus de Castro (sometimes called "Mahale", a name he does not appear to have ever used) who believed that only Brahmans should be Bishops and who was a racist and a castist by his own admission. John M. de Figueiredo
On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 02:37:38 PM EDT, 'Nuno Cardoso da Silva' via Goa-Research-Net < [email protected]> wrote:
"...xenophobic mestiços or descendentes..."
I love generalizations...
Nuno
John
URUMI, was a huge success and was seen by millions who got an idea of the history of the past. I have now learned that the film was shown in the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Qatar, Kuwait, Canada, UK and others.
The names Rivara, etc. that you mentioned are a drop in the ocean. You should have mentioned the thousands of racists, exploiters, slavers, entire villages massacred, criminal exiles sent to the colonies, the bloodthirsty political police (PIDE/DGS), the xenophobic mestiços or descendentes, etc.
“Colonization itself” is an aberration.
For this reason, all colonized peoples fought relentlessly and the statues of false heroes were torn down. We must not forget that the Portuguese people also suffered a lot.
On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 07:09:34 AM GMT+1, John de Figueiredo < [email protected]> wrote:
“The colonizer … presents the colonized as savage and ignorant”.
Assuming that “colonizer” refers to Europeans or their descendants: what would make Afonso de Albuquerque say that Goan carpenters were better than those from Germany? And Garcia d’Orta refer to Hindu physicians as “great scholars”? And Tomas Ribeiro praise the Goan talent for literature? And Cunha Rivara and Garces Palha encourage Goans to study their language? And Osorio Castro establish a Museum of Hindu Art and Archaeology in Velha Goa (Old Goa)? And Ferreira Martins translate Tagore’s poetry? And Cristóvão Aires find inspiration in Indian epics?
With all due respect, in the case of Goa at least, such generalizations are not helpful.
John M. de Figueiredo
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 28, 2024, at 11:57 PM, 'Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> wrote:
Urumi : The Warriors Who Wanted to Kill Vasco Da Gama, is a 2011 Indian Malayalam Language epic historical drama film.
Urumi is a double-edged, long and narrow flexible sword-like weapon that is fixed to the combatant´s waist like belt.
The film is set in the early 16th century, when the Portuguese dominated the Indian Ocean. The story follows Murikkancheri Kelu , seeking to avenge the death of his father at the hands of the portuguese colonizers.
The plot also incorporates such historical figures as Estêvão da Gama and Vasco da Gama.
This film marks the debut of Genelia D'Souza in Malayalam Cinema.
Award, Imagineindia Internacional Film Festival Madrid : best film e best director.
As in many indian films, there are hyperbolic scenes, but the objective was to instill in Indian viewers a vision of what the colonial empire was, beyond what appears in school textbooks. It was viewed by millions of speakers of Hindi, Tamil, Telugu and Malayalam languages.
The story cannot always be Eurocentric, but must contain the point of view of the colonized. The colonizer boasts of heroic deeds on a grand scale and presents the colonized as savage and ignorant. This film demonstrated to millions of Indian viewers what the invader was made of.
In this long video Vasco appears in the 16th minutes and one can hear words spoken in Portuguese.
Urumi Tamil Full Movie | Prithviraj | Prabhu Deva | Santosh Sivan | Arya | Genelia | Vidya Balan
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