Thank you very much Dr. Figueiredo. Your explanation does clear my doubts about caste. I had also heard that if a high caste Brahmins/ Chardo converted to Christianity it would follow that the mundkars would convert too, doesn't seem so far fetched as there are entire hamlets of Abranches and Gama in my village of Verna. Thank you Sonia
On Tue, 15 Oct, 2024, 3:59 am John de Figueiredo, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Sonia, > Good question. The Portuguese did not abolish the caste system directly. > They attempted to abolish it indirectly by encouraging conversions to > Christianity and introducing the belief that the caste system was > incompatible with Christianity and the vision (ideal) of a more > equalitarian society. They succeeded only in part especially in areas other > than endogamy. Interestingly the caste system among Goan Christians turned > out to be more resilient among the Catholic clergy. It appears that > eventually the Portuguese resigned to the survival of the caste system > among Goan Christians. In many ways, this ideal of an equalitarian society > brought opportunities to many Goan Hindus converted to Christianity that > were previously unavailable. Caste among Goan Christians became more like > social class. I discussed this in some detail in some of my publications. > John > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 14, 2024, at 3:42 PM, Sonia Gomes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dr. Figueiredo, > > I am surprised or I may be wrong, when did the Portuguese abolish the > caste system. I thought it was encouraged by the Portuguese. > Very confused > Sonia do Rosario Gomes > > On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 at 20:27, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, they abolished sati to replace it with the Inquisition, racism, >> torturing police PIDE/DGS, >> prisons without trial and Goans imprisoned in Cape Verde and Portugal, >> etc. >> Salazar said: we are in the colonies to bring civilization. And what was >> civilization for him? >> Extremely poor Portugal, racism, torturing police PIDE/DGS, prisons >> without trial and Goans imprisoned in Cape Verde. >> Alberto >> >> >> >> >> ----- Mensagem de John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> --------- >> Data: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 15:27:21 -0400 >> De: John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> >> Assunto: Re: [GRN] Re: Dutch map ‘stolen from the Portuguese’ >> Para: [email protected] >> >> They did not “imitate the savages” in everything, Albert. They abolished >> the “sati” (“suttee”). >> JM de F >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Goa-Research-Net" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/20241012120856.Horde.QI0qwVqcCZixYqz1bHEX3Nm%40mail.sapo.pt >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/20241012120856.Horde.QI0qwVqcCZixYqz1bHEX3Nm%40mail.sapo.pt?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAG_LhYNcVSSehHU284vkbaLRUZCzCCniXY0rXi--2Jerjt2aeg%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAG_LhYNcVSSehHU284vkbaLRUZCzCCniXY0rXi--2Jerjt2aeg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/3AD85FEF-3E52-4ED1-9704-1E01A3A32261%40sbcglobal.net > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/3AD85FEF-3E52-4ED1-9704-1E01A3A32261%40sbcglobal.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAG_LhYN4%2BjbYGb8nbq0dD8F84GFxicMxamuLZg15FnR1v-uwQA%40mail.gmail.com.
