Think of Raitur and Pilar; think of Jose Vaz and Pilar 'saib,' Is the presence of casta RC in Goa, or Portuguese>
On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 3:59 AM John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Sonia, > Good question. The Portuguese did not abolish the caste system directly. > They attempted to abolish it indirectly by encouraging conversions to > Christianity and introducing the belief that the caste system was > incompatible with Christianity and the vision (ideal) of a more > equalitarian society. They succeeded only in part especially in areas other > than endogamy. Interestingly the caste system among Goan Christians turned > out to be more resilient among the Catholic clergy. It appears that > eventually the Portuguese resigned to the survival of the caste system > among Goan Christians. In many ways, this ideal of an equalitarian society > brought opportunities to many Goan Hindus converted to Christianity that > were previously unavailable. Caste among Goan Christians became more like > social class. I discussed this in some detail in some of my publications. > John > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 14, 2024, at 3:42 PM, Sonia Gomes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dr. Figueiredo, > > I am surprised or I may be wrong, when did the Portuguese abolish the > caste system. I thought it was encouraged by the Portuguese. > Very confused > Sonia do Rosario Gomes > > On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 at 20:27, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, they abolished sati to replace it with the Inquisition, racism, >> torturing police PIDE/DGS, >> prisons without trial and Goans imprisoned in Cape Verde and Portugal, >> etc. >> Salazar said: we are in the colonies to bring civilization. And what was >> civilization for him? >> Extremely poor Portugal, racism, torturing police PIDE/DGS, prisons >> without trial and Goans imprisoned in Cape Verde. >> Alberto >> >> >> >> >> ----- Mensagem de John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> --------- >> Data: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 15:27:21 -0400 >> De: John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> >> Assunto: Re: [GRN] Re: Dutch map ‘stolen from the Portuguese’ >> Para: [email protected] >> >> They did not “imitate the savages” in everything, Albert. They abolished >> the “sati” (“suttee”). >> JM de F >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Goa-Research-Net" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/20241012120856.Horde.QI0qwVqcCZixYqz1bHEX3Nm%40mail.sapo.pt >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/20241012120856.Horde.QI0qwVqcCZixYqz1bHEX3Nm%40mail.sapo.pt?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAG_LhYNcVSSehHU284vkbaLRUZCzCCniXY0rXi--2Jerjt2aeg%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAG_LhYNcVSSehHU284vkbaLRUZCzCCniXY0rXi--2Jerjt2aeg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/3AD85FEF-3E52-4ED1-9704-1E01A3A32261%40sbcglobal.net > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/3AD85FEF-3E52-4ED1-9704-1E01A3A32261%40sbcglobal.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CA%2BvNr4%2BAmg6zvdjGEnHnC%2BYFbywnP71NDmK9QZjBC4aDozRxAQ%40mail.gmail.com.
