Re: [GRN] Creado de meza

Sat, 30 Nov 2024 03:30:33 -0800

“Mesa” (with “s”, not “z”) comes from the Latin “mensa” which means “table”. “Criado” means “created”, also derived from the Latin “creare” which means “to create” or “to bring up” meaning that the “criados” had their fate sealed: they were brought up to serve. In the Goan social hierarchy, the “criados” were a more benign reincarnation of slaves.
“Criado” was replaced by the more polite “empregado” (employed) recently. In Goa, and I believe also in Portugal, in the old days, the _expression_ “seu criado” (your servant) was used in the sense of “respectfully”, just as in English the _expression_ “your obedient servant” was used in the same sense. Most Portuguese words are derived from Latin and not from Spanish.
John
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On Nov 29, 2024, at 3:53 PM, MD <[email protected]> wrote:


creado =creator (who created) so creado de mesa should be the person who sets up dinner table.
  creado de meza = table servant
creado de mesa = table creation (creator?) A person who sets up dinner table

table
The name Meza finds its origins in the Spanish language, specifically derived from the word mesa, meaning plateau or table.

On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 10:35 PM William Robert Da Silva <[email protected]> wrote:
There is the word malcreado which means ill-doer, crooked person; creado, cread is a doer. I have heard these words used in Konkani, too. Then you have a meza which is at table. So, it would be positively doing at table, service at table. An attender at table etc., I suppose. Meza can also mean table-land or ghats. Would it be, therefore, a servant in the forestry service? I am joking.
W R Da Silva

On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 5:26 PM Mervyn Maciel <[email protected]> wrote:
Literally - “Servant of the table!”
Sounds odd though!
Mervyn Maciel 
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On 28 Nov 2024, at 05:43, 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> wrote:


Dear members,

I would like to know what would be the best interpretation of this term "creado de meza". This is a 19th century term used in a letter dated 1889, and does it correspond to the English 19th century equivalent of "head servant" or better still "table servant."

All best wishes,
Selma

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