Without systematic archival and field research all the questions raised above receive partial answers or no answers worth considering. Much of what appears here is archival, partially so, in proposed answers and many more queries. When in Goa at GU from 1998-1997 I did extensive fieldwork and the result is surprising on caste and Goan priesthood besides many other issues. "He, he! ti bhas *amchi* nhoi-re; ti bhas *tenchi*." On the premises of Rachol and in Old Goa Konkani liturgical translation groups and Bible reading text groups the Church terminology was systematically 'sanscritised, ritually made 'Vedic.' See the difference between Rachol and Pilar, Fr Juze Vas and Agnel D'Souza. See the language of Manddo, Dulpodd, shigmo, fugddi etc. etc. The 'romanisation' of the script and wrong pronunciation attached to them. See Dadu Majrekar and SB, GSB, Antruzi etc. See Kunnbi, Kharvi, Gabit etc. etc. and the converted from various caste-occupational groups. I could go on and write for about a year daily about what I have in my archive. Let us stop here. All the best.
On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 5:52 AM JOHN DE FIGUEIREDO <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry but that is not correct. Since 1750 I do not know of any attempt by > the Portuguese to suppress Konkani. Quite the opposite. They advocated the > development of Konkani as the work of Cunha Rivara and Mourao Garcez Palha > demonstrates. There were also Marathi schools in Goa approved by Mourao > Garcez Palha's grandfather who was Viceroy of India. There was significant > opposition to Konkani from some Goans (such as Suriargi Ananta Rao, for > example). > What I cannot understand is why Portuguese was banned at the Seminary of > Rachol in favor of English. The Seminary of Rachol was not a government > institution, so the "tit for tet" explanation does not apply to them. > John > On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 04:22:45 PM EST, Joao Paulo Cota < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > The French government signed the Treaty of Cession in 1956 with India, > which guaranteed French to be included as part of Pondicherry's future, > post 1954 referendum. > The Portuguese government was treated as a war enemy, unlike the French, > hence the Indian government preferred Portuguese to go away and Goa to > embrace what India had to offer - English and Hindi. > The Portuguese also did not encourage Konkani being openly spoken on the > streets, as per my older family member / older friend chats. Usage of > Konkani was suppressed. > Hence, it could had been a tit for tat game... to get rid of the > Portuguese and traces of their language. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] < > [email protected]> on behalf of John de Figueiredo < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* 30 January 2025 09:45 > *To:* [email protected] <[email protected] > > > *Cc:* [email protected] <[email protected] > > > *Subject:* Re: [GRN] Priest and Cook squaring the circle in Goan society > > Why was Portuguese dropped as language of instruction? It could not be > because it was a “colonial language” because English is definitely a > colonial language. Historically, English was never a language spoken by > Goans in Goa. > John > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 29, 2025, at 1:56 PM, Eric Pinto <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Admission to Rachol was restricted to Charda and the Brahmin groups. They > were conversant with > the Portuguese language and belonged to the civil services. The new era > dates to the early 70's when > the language of instruction also changed to English and Konkanni. > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 6:15 AM 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Dear members, > > I need your opinion on this. Researching one family of nineteenth century > Velsao, Goa, I discovered through archival documents in Lisbon, that one > brother from Velsao travelled to Zanzibar and was likely a table waiter and > cook, and most likely illiterate, but later hugely successful. Although > there was some reason to treat this information taken from a 1890 source > with some scepticism, it did have details for the employer etc. and in the > main not really discreditable. > > I have now discovered through the assistance of the brilliant geneologist > Richard Souza, that another brother born in 1829 was ordained as a priest. > > Was not the priesthood in Goa driven by caste and largely restricted to > upper-castes? > > How do I square this information? > > Your help would be most appreciated. > Selma > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/333597835.3097542.1738107269550%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/333597835.3097542.1738107269550%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAJCL8L4Z7SrAkLB2-RwR3_n314YD1KXLjox1wm6NbTNn1jhO0Q%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAJCL8L4Z7SrAkLB2-RwR3_n314YD1KXLjox1wm6NbTNn1jhO0Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/7DFA0C79-0688-47A8-974A-53377E687F36%40sbcglobal.net > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/7DFA0C79-0688-47A8-974A-53377E687F36%40sbcglobal.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/GV2P195MB2161C5E520C6C4F15E99E8E282E92%40GV2P195MB2161.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/GV2P195MB2161C5E520C6C4F15E99E8E282E92%40GV2P195MB2161.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/1907258971.3617457.1738281294224%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/1907258971.3617457.1738281294224%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. 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