Heather, Thank you for this deep analysis. I don't feel like an expert on licensing issues so I will let others comment, but every new idea on how in general to fund academic services like Paperity is more than welcome. The individual who finally discovers a satisfactory solution should get a Nobel Prize at the very least.
Best Marcin On 10/12/2014 10:22 PM, Heather Morrison wrote: > Thank you for providing the information, Marcin. Since there is a subset of > the open access community that demands blanket permissions for commercial > rights downstream (a position I strongly disagree with), it is important to > discuss what the potential commercial uses might be to determine whether > these actually advance open access or scholarly knowledge or not. > > Some comments on these options for Paperity: > > In the subscriptions model, aggregators (such as EBSCO and ProQuest), > typically pay journals to include their content, or in the case of open > access journals, at least do not charge the journals. Charging journals to > include them in an aggregated service changes a revenue stream to an expense > stream for the journals. This makes it harder to find the revenue to produce > journals; a barrier to publishing journals in the first place is not in the > interests of advancing scholarly knowledge. > > Advertising is one of the potential revenue streams for open access journals > (and one that some journals are currently using). If Paperity is using > journal content to sell advertising, then Paperity could easily be competing > with the journals for this revenue. > > It is lovely to hear of Paperity's good intentions starting out to be fair, > efficient and acceptable for everyone. But what can happen with services like > this down the road when there are bills to be paid, journals are less than > keen to pay for this service and advertisers continue to prefer Google? > > The following is addressed to my fellow open access advocates as this is a > good discussion about open access downstream, and these comments are not > intended to apply to Paperity: > > If the purpose of insisting on re-use and commercial rights downstream is > designed to facilitate the design of services such as Paperity, let's discuss > these possibilities downstream that I argue are facilitated by CC-BY and/or > CC-BY-SA licenses: > > - aggregator takes CC-BY content and develops a toll-access value-added > service > > By way of illustration of this: Elsevier's Scopus claims to include 2,800 > gold open access journals. Scopus is a subscription-based service. > > - aggregator takes CC-BY content, initially develops an open access > value-added search service, then sells the service to a for-profit company > that changes the business model to toll access > > By way of illustration of the sales aspect, consider that Elsevier bought > Mendeley and Springer bought BioMedCentral. Both are still free services, but > offered by largely subscription-based companies; why would we assume that > they would never change the business model? > > - aggregator follows the Paperity suggestion of charging journals, but > with a twist: does not include journals that do not pay and/or returns > results based on payments by journals (i.e. pay-to-play) > > Are these models seen as desirable by advocates of requiring CC-BY and/or > CC-BY-SA licenses? Are any of these scenarios aligned with the Budapest > vision? If you agree that they are not, can you explain why you think these > are unlikely or how the licenses would prevent this from happening? For > example, perhaps someone can explain how it is that Elsevier is able to > charge to direct people to OA journals through Scopus? > > A comment on SA: although Sharealike is the most copyleft of the CC license > elements, it does not come with an obligation to share in the same way, > rather an obligation to use the same license when including re-used content. > One can take a work that is licensed SA and is freely available on the web > and include it in a work that is limited in any of a variety of fashions > (part of a presentation to an audience limited to those who are willing and > able to pay to attend; a toll access work, etc.) - as long the work > downstream uses the license. In other words, CC-BY-SA does not do as much to > protect OA downstream as one might think. > > best, > > Heather Morrison > > > On 2014-10-12, at 3:20 PM, Marcin Wojnarski wrote: > >> Hi Serge, >> >> We're working on this. Paperity started as a non-profit academic project, >> but yes, we need to develop a business model to make it sustainable and to >> achieve the goal of 100% OA aggregated. Most likely we'll expect >> participating journals to support our services, which we think is a fair >> solution when many of them charge APCs and we actually help them do their >> job (dissemination). We're aware however that there are also many small >> non-profit journals which don't charge APC at all, and we definitely want to >> aggregate them all, too. So the details are still to be sorted out, but I'm >> confident that over time we'll come up with a good solution: one that's >> fair, efficient and acceptable for everybody. Of course, there are also more >> traditional solutions that we'll investigate, like adverts. >> >> Cheers >> Marcin >> >> >> On 10/11/2014 09:07 PM, BAUIN Serge wrote: >>> Marcin, >>> >>> May I ask "what is the economic model of Paperity?" >>> I didn't find any information about that on your web site. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Serge >>> >>> Envoyé d'un téléphone portable, désolé pour le caractère inélégant... >>> >>> Le 10 oct. 2014 à 08:22, "Marcin Wojnarski" <[email protected]> a écrit : >>> >>>> Jeroen, >>>> >>>> Thanks, it's great to hear that you like Paperity! >>>> >>>> "True peer-reviewed" means published in a peer-reviewed journal, in >>>> contrast to a pdf just posted somewhere on the web (think Google Scholar), >>>> which can be anything: a peer-reviewed paper or not, published or not, >>>> even randomly generated to resemble a scholarly article, for example to >>>> pump up G Scholar citations (http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.0638). >>>> >>>> The new technology is called REgular Document EXpressions (redex). It is a >>>> computer language for analyzing long and complex documents, particularly >>>> written in a markup, like HTML or XML. It facilitates analysis of web >>>> context where the paper occured, which is critical for maintaining the >>>> link between the paper and its journal. Redex builds on top of the very >>>> fundamental technology of regular expressions (regex), but redefines the >>>> language entirely to make it suitable for large structured texts. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Marcin >>>> >>>> On 10/09/2014 05:02 PM, Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen) wrote: >>>>> Marcin, >>>>> >>>>> This is a great initiative. I had been hoping BASEsearch would take on >>>>> this task, but it is good to see others are stepping in. >>>>> >>>>> Congrats on the initiative. Still, a long way to go >>>>> >>>>> Could you elaborate on how your technology is able to recognize “true >>>>> peer reviewed papers” and what you consider to be “ true peer reviewed >>>>> papers”? >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Jeroen Bosman >>>>> @jeroenbosman >>>>> Utrecht University Library >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf Of Marcin Wojnarski >>>>> Sent: donderdag 9 oktober 2014 14:51 >>>>> To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) >>>>> Subject: [GOAL] Paperity launched. The 1st multidisciplinary aggregator >>>>> of OA journals & papers >>>>> >>>>> (press release, apologies for cross-posting) >>>>> >>>>> With the beginning of the new academic year, Paperity, the first >>>>> multidisciplinary aggregator of Open Access journals and papers, has been >>>>> launched. Paperity will connect authors with readers, boost dissemination >>>>> of new discoveries and consolidate academia around open literature. >>>>> >>>>> Right now, Paperity (http://paperity.org/) includes over 160,000 open >>>>> articles, "gold" and "hybrid", from 2,000 scholarly journals, and >>>>> growing. The goal of the team is to cover - with the support of journal >>>>> editors and publishers - 100% of Open Access literature in 3 years from >>>>> now. In order to achieve this, Paperity utilizes an original technology >>>>> for article indexing, designed by Marcin Wojnarski, a data geek from >>>>> Poland and a medalist of the International Mathematical Olympiad. This >>>>> technology indexes only true peer-reviewed scholarly papers and filters >>>>> out irrelevant entries, which easily make it into other aggregators and >>>>> search engines. >>>>> >>>>> The amount of scholarly literature has grown enormously in the last >>>>> decades. Successful dissemination became a big issue. New tools are >>>>> needed to help readers access vast amounts of literature dispersed all >>>>> over the web and to help authors reach their target audience. Moreover, >>>>> research is interdisciplinary now and scholars need broad access to >>>>> literature from many fields, also from outside of their core research >>>>> area. This is the reason why Paperity covers all >>>>> subjects, from Sciences, Technology, Medicine, through Social Sciences, >>>>> to Humanities and Arts. >>>>> >>>>> - There are lots of great articles out there which report new significant >>>>> findings, yet attract no attention, only because they are hard to find. >>>>> No more than top 10% of research institutions have good access to >>>>> communication channels and can share their findings efficiently. The >>>>> remaining 90%, especially authors from developing countries and >>>>> early-career researchers, start from a much lower stand and often stay >>>>> unnoticed despite high quality of their work – says Wojnarski. He adds >>>>> that it is not by accident that Paperity partners right now with the EU >>>>> Contest for Young Scientists, the biggest science fair in >>>>> Europe. With the help of Paperity, the Contest wants to improve >>>>> dissemination of discoveries authored by its participants – top young >>>>> talents from all over the continent. >>>>> >>>>> Paperity is the first service of this kind. The most similar existing >>>>> website, PubMed Central, aggregates open journals, too, but is limited to >>>>> life sciences alone. Another related service, the Directory of Open >>>>> Access Journals, does index articles from multiple periodicals and >>>>> different disciplines, but does not provide aggregation, only pure >>>>> indexing: it shows metadata of articles, but for fulltext access >>>>> redirects to external sites. Moreover, both PMC and DOAJ impose strict >>>>> technical requirements on participating journals, which limits the scope >>>>> of aggregation. Paperity adapts to whatever technology a given periodical >>>>> employs. >>>>> >>>>> Paperity website: http://paperity.org/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Marcin Wojnarski, Founder of Paperity, www.paperity.org >>>>> www.linkedin.com/in/marcinwojnarski >>>>> www.facebook.com/Paperity >>>>> www.twitter.com/Paperity >>>>> >>>>> Paperity. Open science aggregated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> GOAL mailing list >>>>> >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> GOAL mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> GOAL mailing list >>> >>> [email protected] >>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal >> >> -- >> Marcin Wojnarski, Founder of Paperity, >> www.paperity.org >> www.linkedin.com/in/marcinwojnarski >> www.facebook.com/Paperity >> www.twitter.com/Paperity >> >> >> Paperity. Open science aggregated. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> GOAL mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > -- Marcin Wojnarski, Founder of Paperity, www.paperity.org www.linkedin.com/in/marcinwojnarski www.facebook.com/Paperity www.twitter.com/Paperity Paperity. Open science aggregated. _______________________________________________ GOAL mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
