Santosh baba,
Kiteak petoita murre dotor-saab?  You do not object to my claim that you are 
throwing moral and religion codes out of the window. You object to my claim of 
the effects of doing so.  You are taking the comment with "Thanks for calling 
me pro-science and logical" too seriously. We will not question if it was too 
gratuitous. But before you get carried away, and your Texan hat gets too small 
for you,  let's put your science ani logic to the test. :=))
 
You are good at zapping people's posts without specifics or science. You make 
statements and expect others to do the research to prove you wrong.  Perhaps 
YOU can research the RATES for the following parameters for modern society, and 
compare them to US and Indian society three generations ago (100 years ago). 

1. Divorce rates.
2. Single family homes. 
3. Unwed and teenage mothers.
4. Children brought up in single family homes.
5. Teenage sex, pregnancies, STDs and school dropout rates.
6. Drug abuse in adults and children.
7. Abortions on demand.
8. Psychologic problems in children including ADS (Attention Deficit Syndrome).
9. Psychological and medical problems in adults including stress and depression 
rates.
10. Suicide rates among senior citizens.
11. Violence against children.
12. Spousal abuse.
13. Elder abuse.
14. Gun violence.
15. Prisoner / Incarceration rates per 100,000 population.

Look forward to the re-submission. Then we can decide about "the hackneyed 
notion" ani "hollow cliches"  ani tea bhair more! Or if this post  is 
"Pro-science" and "logical" - really?  Aum / Ami rautam tujea borea respostak.  
Aum tujo Goenkar bhau, GL 

PS: Your academic post about atheism comes close to the line of putting down 
religion. However you give "academic cover" to some loud-mouth agnostics whose 
agnostic mantra is blatant anti-Catholic.  And it is obvious I am not the only 
one with that view.


----------------- Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

I submit that the hackneyed notion that today's society is spinning out of 
control from a moral standpoint is not grounded in fact. Basic human rights, 
civil rights, rights of women and children, rights of the under-represented, 
and even rights of other animals, are much more valued and respected today than 
at any time in the entire history of our civilization. Contrary to the hollow 
cliches propagated here and elsewhere, our morality has indeed advanced with 
our technological and socio-economic advancement. 
 

--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

So society (youth and adults) in many respects is spinning out of control, in 
spite of our increased academic and social-economic advancements. Partly 
because of these advancements, we think we are smart to "pick and choose" what 
is good / convenient for us - for NOW!  This is the argument between Mario and 
Santosh, and what "The rock solid moral code" signifies for current and future 
Goan society.
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