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Hi Sunith,
Thanks for your response to my post. I am glad you kept it logical and short.
Hope we can maintain it that way.
I think you have totally mis-read my post. You have NOT COMPARED the social
parameters of "Taliban" society to modern socio-economically advanced society!
I am not requesting you to score a society. I am requesting a comparison of two
societies for the same end-points.
I suggested to compare the RATES for the various parameters for Modern and
Traditional society. So the following makes no sense to me, "Under Taliban rule
in Afghanistan. Parameters 1-7 were close to zero. Parameter 8-11 probably
remained the same. Parameters 12,13 probably decreased or stayed the same.
Parameters 14-15 decreased dramatically (the Taliban owned all the weapons and
the killed most of their prisoners)."
BTW, is Taliban rule representative of modern or old society or neither? Was
Taliban rule even a society - Muslim or Afghan society?
So before you digress (old Goanet trick), why don’t you check the data for the
parameters that I outlined. Then compare those end-points for a modern and
traditional- Goan Muslim, Hindu and Catholic societies?
That in part may be difficult to research from Panaji. You may not have access
to western data (or be exposed to it) unless you are well conversant with US or
UK or EU statistics. Yet you could do it with the help of Santosh and
Elisabeth. You live in Panaji-Goa, which may be in transition from old to new
society. So you may or may not have a glimpse of the issues.
Since you are young, I strongly urge you to look at the hard statistics / data
/ numbers - no explanations needed! Do not be satisfied with just giving
opinions and having impressions; or dismissing other peoples' views (including
older folks) with terms (not your's) like "hackneyed" and "cliched"
terminologies. If the above two US residents do not cooperate in giving you
the American data, that says a lot. It is perhaps, they are arm-chair
discussants, or more likely, the statistics are so bad that they do not want to
frighten you and the rest of us. It is not because they are "too intellectual"
to work with you.
The parameters you outline (2, 4, 5) like wars, "self determined democratic
political systems" is a reflection of the government rather than the society
governed. So I hope we can talk the same semantics referenced to the same
subject group.
I share your optimism for the future. As one progresses socio-economically, the
skill is to learn from societies and others that have been down that path and
avoid their pitfalls. A good modern society to emulate is Japanese and rural
US society. Your challenge is how to emulate the good while avoiding the
potholes. Panjim and Goa is a good incubator to hold-on to the age-tested
values while also incorporating SOME WELL-TESTED new outlooks. So the old and
new is NOT mutually EXCLUSIVE. It is not one OR the other, as some on Goanet
make it out to be. One's smartness and innovation is how one can have both!
It can be done. By the grace of God we and many others have achieved both.
Response to your other points in another post.
Kind Regards, GL
---------------- Sunith Velho, Panjim-Goa wrote:
As a supporter of scientific and logical argument will try to disapprove your
simplistic analysis to support your belief that " today's society is spinning
out of control "
Under Taliban rule in Afghanistan. Parameters 1-7 were close to zero.
Parameter 8-11 probably remained the same. Parameters 12,13 probably
decreased or stayed the same. Parameters 14-15 decreased dramatically (the
Taliban owned all the weapons and the killed most of their prisoners).
So we can see that these parameters when used alone tell us nothing
about the state of a society.
I submit that some useful parameters for evaluating the state of world
society would be
1. Female emancipation and equality. (After all half the world is female)
2. Number of Major Conflicts/Wars(In terms of number of deaths)
3. Racial tolerance
4. Religious/Belief Tolerance
5. Number of people living in self determined democratic political systems.
What is your opinion of human progress w.r.t. these parameters(especially
over the last century)?
Goanetters can add to that list.
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