It also sounds like it would be great to have user downloadable locales. Maybe something to consider as part of the roadmap if it's not on there already?
Stormy On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Pascal Finette | Mozilla <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear Toni, > > Thank you for taking the time to explain - makes perfect sense and I > believe I get it now. So this seems to be (at least partly) a question of: > In which countries will FxOS phones ship and making sure we support all > languages in those countries? > > Warmly, > P > > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Toni Hermoso Pulido < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Al 19/01/13 17:59, En/na Pascal Finette | Mozilla ha escrit: > > > Hi, > > > > > > The builds shipped with the phones are the ones with fewer locales, > > >> which is the main concern for localizers. And also my main concern to > > >> discuss here if this is something OEMs are asking us to do and if so, > > why. > > > > > > > > > I am not 100% sure I understand the specific concern around Telco's > > > shipping (only) a specific set of locales tailored to the market they > > sell > > > the phone in. As this is a piece of hardware which is tied to a Telco > and > > > sold only in one market - why would you want to have all possible > > languages > > > on the phone? If, say a Telco would sell the phone in Russia > > > (hypothetically), that particular phone would only be sold and used in > > > Russia (as it's tied to the specific Telco). You would want to have all > > > languages on the phone which are relevant to that market (plus > probably a > > > set of "global" languages such as English, Spanish, etc) - but why > would > > it > > > matter that you have Scottish Gaelic on the phone? > > > > > > I would love to understand that concern better. > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > first of all, thanks to Nukeador for bringing the issue here. > > Let me help you to understand a bit the concerns from a point of view of > > a speaker of a minorised (not necessarily minor) language. > > > > As example of what Ruben explains, I can tell you about what happened a > > few months ago with some Android-shipped Samsung devices in Spain. Even > > Android was localised in Catalan for long enough, the company didn't > > ship it in that language in the Spain market for whatsoever reason > > ( > > > http://www.324.cat/noticia/1665832/ciencia/Samsung-Espanya-veta-el-catala-als-mobils > > ) > > After that, there was a public outcry and, AFAIK, new Samsung devices > > are currently shipped in Catalan. However, I'm not sure if other > > potential languages (in the Spanish market) were lucky enough to be > > included as well. > > > > Focusing on Mozilla, assuming that there is a partnership involved > > —ergo, Firefox brand and logos are used—, can we know whether a FirefoOS > > phone to be shipped in UK will include Scottish Gaelic? And, let's say, > > the same for Ligurian in Italy? > > I can understand that some telcos or third parties may not have > > 'resources'/will to translate their own extra/custom apps in these > > languages, but I think there should be an easy way that interested users > > might enable these locales (and ideally also have their localised > > vanilla apps). Third parties might always offer a disclaimer of not > > having a fully localised experience for some locales but, at least, I > > think they should not block/remove them. > > Allowing these locales to be enabled, you are also facilitating that a > > webapp ecosystem considering these languages can exist. > > > > From a localiser point of view, I would love to have a clearer idea of > > the real product expectations for the different involved locales. As you > > can understand, telling our voluntary localisers that their > > contributions might end up being only accessible to a super-reduced > > geeky public does not help to motivate them. > > > > Best, > > > > -- > > Toni Hermoso Pulido > > http://www.cau.cat > > _______________________________________________ > > governance mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance > > > _______________________________________________ > governance mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance > _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
