On 21.01.13 17:35, Toni Hermoso Pulido wrote:
Al 21/01/13 17:12, En/na Axel Hecht ha escrit:
On 21.01.13 16:46, Toni Hermoso Pulido wrote:
Al 21/01/13 16:37, En/na Axel Hecht ha escrit:
On 21.01.13 16:25, Toni Hermoso Pulido wrote:
Al 21/01/13 15:28, En/na Gervase Markham ha escrit:
On 20/01/13 00:11, Pascal Finette | Mozilla wrote:
Thank you for taking the time to explain - makes perfect sense and I
believe I get it now. So this seems to be (at least partly) a
question of:
In which countries will FxOS phones ship and making sure we
support all
languages in those countries?
As we all know, Boot2Gecko is open source. And the phones are not
being
shipped by Mozilla. Therefore (to my understanding; I could be wrong)
the only way Mozilla can influence exactly what software the OEMs ship
and how they configure it is via our agreement with them which lets
them
use the Firefox logo and Firefox OS name.
So are you (Toni/Ruben) saying that we should make some locale-related
provision a condition of this agreement? If so, what do you think it
should be?
* the OEM agrees to ship all available signed-off-by-Mozilla locales?
* the OEM agrees to ship all locales which are official languages of
the country or territory in which they ship?
* something else?
Hello,
* the user should have easy means to enable all Mozilla Gaia locales
(https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/blob/master/locales/languages_all.json)
by default (even if not a complete or signed-off translation were
available for some of them yet). Even better, that list should be:
http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/tip/toolkit/locales/en-US/chrome/global/languageNames.properties
(as people can currentlty select in Desktop Firefox)
* Moreover, I think they also should provide all signed-off available
translations of the Gaia environment they are using —especially for
shared components—.
I think that would be enough and, if agreed, we would not need to enter
into region per region discussion.
Best,
Can you detail on what you mean by "enable"?
Hi,
When I mean enable, I mean that the user can assign the value of the
locale (e.g. 'de') to:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/window.navigator.language
and, therefore, HTTP Header Accept-Language, for instance:
http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n/mozilla-aurora/de/file/tip/toolkit/chrome/global/intl.properties
(intl.accept_languages)
I'm afraid that's not technically feasible in a reasonable time frame.
The current technical limitations are:
- one language is the preferred language, exposed as navigator.language
and the first entry in the http accept-language header.
- that language is part of a finite list of languages that are packaged
into the bits we ship on the phone.
- that language is used in the "UI".
Everything else are fine comments, but for mozilla.dev.b2g much rather
than for .governance.
I agree about moving technical details to another place. But only one
point: What would currently happen if you enabled one language, let's
say, 'Aragonese' (an) ? I assume UI would be in English and
navigator.language and first HTTP accept-language header would be 'an'.
Am I right? Or, otherwise, would it 'break' ? If no breaking, this is
better than nothing, because you allow third-parties to offer weapps in
more languages.
I consider that to be horribly broken, yes. Why would one reset a phone
to en-US just to make navigator.language say aragonese? I don't see any
practical value.
Axel
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