I'd see there're some part of the Mozilla are really all open and transparent to community to participate - bugs fixing, product l10n, documents, QA..., some are not that opening, ex. some piece of marketing, product decision, commercial negotiation, meetings on variant subject..., and there are some part which is not open at all, like the marketing effort at from MoCo at our region.
I think the problem is that, whether a project open or not, largely depends on thet owners manner and decision, if the one who is long-time Mozillian, pre-community staff or community people, they'll consider the possibility of volunteer involving at first, and vice versa. If we keep depends on people but not system, the issue will getting worse with more new employees and new department no doubt. I think maybe we should able to carry out a sort of policy, statement, or some guides to community for the new staff (and current staff) to prevent this, or we could find a way, build a channel for volunteer to contact with, if one find any issue on a part of Mozilla, which he think it should operate like this way (to be Mozilla) but not that way (to opposite Mozilla). On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 4:45 AM, Rubén Martín <[email protected]>wrote: > El 04/04/13 21:37, Irvin Chen escribió: > > > I just feel that they just don't believe anything non-employee had done, > we had maintain highly quality news blog (mostly the same resource as > company's), > a product website, a lot of subtitled videos, made a numbers of posters > before, > and they use really small thing we made on the "official event", and > nothing on "official site". > > I can understand why this "official" insist came from, > for those newly hired employees formally worked at other company, > "volunteer" just mean un-trust for them, > even they'd hired a formal community liaison, > the manager still don't trust him on 'community can help' idea. > > I completely understand you. > > - External contractors have done very low quality localizations having > in mind the professional quality most communities have been doing for > years. "We have budget" is not an excuse for externalising the community. > - Being an employee does not give you trust, you have to earn it. > - I value more the opinions and work made by a long time mozillian > (volunteer or employee) than and recently hired person. We are a > meritocracy and the Corp. structure is completely different to the rest of > the organisation. > - New employees should ear this trust even if they are in a > decision-making position. If you don't value the rest of the community, the > community won't trust or value your work and decisions. > > And I think there are a lot of people that thinks this, but sometimes is > difficult to spend some time discussing when we all have a lot of work to > make. > Regards. > > -- > Rubén Martín [Nukeador] > Mozilla Reps > Mentorhttp://www.mozilla-hispano.orghttp://twitter.com/mozilla_hispanohttp://facebook.com/mozillahispano > > -- @ irvinfly: community liaison moztw.org Mozilla Taiwan community _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
