Well, the reason for including Ambedkar in the list was because of a true fact mentioned in an earlier mail about the difficulties Dalits had in general about completely understanding his ideology. At an intellectual level, its a signifcant leap for anybody and while I write this I am wondering if there is any point in saying that only Dalits can't fully comprehend it.
As far as Mayawati is concerned even among the Dalit activists that I have engaged in discussions with, there is still some doubts about how this rainbow coalition is going to function. It remains to be seen whether Mayawati has ultimately embraced Brahmins or Brahminism... that is something time will tell and indeed somewhat ahistoric to mention. Lets wait till her present bout of deMulayamising UP is done with. There is no question about the contribution of Ambedkar or any of the other leaders.. I'm sorry if my comments came across as questioning their role, but I still maintain that its a garangutan challenge to be in the same relationship with your grass-roots when you ascend the ladder of political influence and this holds true for not just Dalit readers. To respond to Murali's question on 10% growth, I would like to see it plunge coz I do not believe in the consumption driven development paradigm that dominates the present-day society/civilization/nation. Call me irrational, but I'm honestly wary of the number game. Also I would like to ask you, whether you think communism is a truly an example of mass take-over of institutions? I'm curious to know how.. Rohit On 3/24/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > never expect Dalit bureaucracy to be better than that of the > Brahimn/"upper"caste > such an essentialist approach emntng from thh binary of good/bad is > prblmatic > reservation limits to the question of equal opportunities/representation > > and it would be typical leftist kind argument that Dalits after climbing > the ladder of success forget those who r at the bottom.. and including > Ambedkar and mayavati in that list seems so ahistoric and funny...one reason > for mayavati's victory is her grass root connection.. > without ambedkar's tryst with modernity and his contrbution to the > post-modern cultural discourse, Dalits would ve been nowhere... the > emancipatory terrain with which dalits in rural/urban/semi urban India move > ahead has been constructd by visionaries such as Ambedkar.. but it s not an > end in itself.. > struggles of the marginalised DAlits/adivasis are the potentials grounds > for socil transfrmation > and it carry forward the subaltern theorsations of social chjange > > > > On 3/24/08, Murali K Warier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > While I am at a loss to understand how to do away with the values that > > govern this development paradigm, the least I can hope is that mainstreaming > > Dalits and Adivasis is going to seriously affect the 10% GDP growth (in any > > case, its not a true representative of growth of the people) > > > > Did you mean in a positive way or negative way? I think it can affect > > only in a positive way, that is, the GDP growth will go beyond 10%, as more > > and more people participate in the economy, who were previously denied this > > opportunity. > > > > By the way, the 9% growth is widely inclusive, unlike what the Left > > would have us believe, but that is hardly sufficient. Take a look at this: > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Columnists/Swaminathan_A_Aiyar/Swaminomics/9_GDP_growth_is_widely_inclusive/articleshow/2144464.cms > > > > > This requires mass take-over of institutions, whether you do it > > through reservations or anything else. > > > > What do you mean by 'institutions'? Government institutions? Private > > industry? Private property? Whatever it is, this (mass takeover) is nothing > > but a prescription for disaster. The communists tried it, and the results > > are there for anybody to see. Zimbabwe is the latest example of what such > > social engineering experiments could achieve. > > > > Best regards, > > Murali. > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Rohit Shetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they > > don't want to hear. > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
