after the powerful hegemony of neo-liberalism,Mayavati
captured office in u.p.
this is not a period of nehruvian welfarist age.This
difference has to be noted.
She will have to draw up a new developmental paradigm
as as against the present developmental terrorism .
--- ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> even ambedkar was alleged to have been deviated
> he was criticed severely during his lifetime even
> from dalits circles
> many chieftains like gandhi tried to teach h
> when u sit and read everything seems perfct
>
> Mayavati should be criticed; but dont be so anxious
> abt how she will deal
> with brahmins
> let her try her tactics to stay alive in power
> politcs
> if patrons r not needd for Indira why we insists
> upon Maya
> they r capable of dealing with it
> they may fail or win
> it's part of the game
> c
> dalits are not blindly celebrating mayavati.. right
> from grassrooot level to
> intellctual ther s a critical engagemnt with it...
> her strenght is not
> brahmins, but Dalits ..
> one shoud aslo able to see the support of OBC and
> muslims which not highltd
> by media
>
> politics s like that
>
> and evryone has the right to criticise from any
> perspective
> so do u and i
>
> best
>
> On 3/26/08, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > <"Critique of Mayavati is needed from the dalit
> perspective..."
> >
> > What other perspective you find here, in
> connection with my reference,
> > which was actually made in the context of an
> existing stream of
> > criticism , which equally stakes claim for dalit
> perspective? This
> > was made against Mayavathi/BSP for the too
> obvious ideological
> > compromise with the Manu-ites, and there is enough
> reason to consider
> > that this criticism, notwithstanding the
> jubilations for
> > Mayavathi ,is not without a dalit perspective.
> > It is not anything new that the BSP had made its
> debut appearance in
> > the arena of electoral politics in India in the
> 1980s riding itself on
> > the Ambedkarite vision, giving expression to the
> dalits' collective
> > will of smashing the prisons of caste created by
> Manuvadis. Thanks to
> > the combined effect of the Mandal and Masjid, the
> party could grow in
> > strength since the late 80s. It surprised most of
> the political
> > analysts when the BSP could share power with the
> emerging hard core
> > brahmanic right wing, anti-mandal and anti-muslim
> party, in total
> > disregard of the ideological polarity between the
> two.
> > After not being able to cope with the
> contradicting interests from
> > within the alliance, the BSP had soon to part ways
> with the BJP . If
> > the people of India had not risen to the occasion
> in 2004 to rout the
> > BJP & NDA, it could be anybody's guess whether
> the BSP would have
> > liked to share power with the BJP at the Union
> level by offering a
> > handful of seats the NDA might be short of support
> to form a
> > coalition.
> > Viewed against this background and in an
> emphatically asserted dalit
> > perspective too, one can very well say that the
> quoted slogan (brahman
> > sankh bajaayega, haathi age badaayega)raised by
> the BSP for securing
> > power in UP clearly indicated serious digression
> from the path of
> > criticising Brahmanism, and hence, the logical
> backtracking from any
> > serious critique of caste itself.
> > What exactly conforms to dalit perspective may be
> debatable not only
> > among dalits, but also among all sections
> concerned with the struggle
> > against the tyranny of caste and gender.
> > One thing I wish to agree with Ranju (as obvious
> from his postings,
> > though he hadn't used the same expressions), is
> that tailing BSP &
> > Mayavathi without any criticism is not same as
> fighting Brahmanism
> > and following the thoughts of Dr.Ambedkar.
> > The other points you've raised against the
> arbitrary assumptions and
> > interventions of 'cheiftains of civil society' in
> their purported
> > attempts to educate dalits as though the latter
> are not capable of
> > articulating and expressing by themselves
> > appears out of context.
> > Ambedkar had never retracted from his pursuit of
> struggling for the
> > rights of dalits.He had never compromised anywhere
> in his life- long
> > engagement with Brahmanism, for that matter. If
> anybody is suggesting
> > that Mayavathi and BSP are trying to do just that,
> I wish less to
> > agree than to disagree.
> > The role of intellectuals, I believe , is not just
> to engage the 'soft
> > targets' or the comparatively inconsequential
> opponents who may have
> > minor disagreements. On the contrary, I believe
> that it is more
> > imperative to challenge those ideas and
> assumptions in real lives that
> > perpetuate hegemony and allows the perpetrators to
> get away with
> > impunity, in systematically recurring and
> institutionalized forms of
> > commissions and omissions.
> > Regards,
> > Venu.K.M
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 24, 11:25 pm, "ranju radha"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Mayavati is into power politics
> > > if issue based alliances in civil society could
> have "universal
> > > brahman/"upper" casstes" why deny the same
> possibility in politics
> > >
> > > if Mayavati' could utilise the bureaucracy to
> make some changes (it wont
> > > happen over night) that would be nice
> > > like it or not chiftains of civil society should
> accept the agency of
> > > mayavati and how she use
> Dalit/brahmin/OBC/muslim combination
> > effectively in
> > > UPs politcs..
> > > critique of mayavati is indeed needd from dalit
> perspective..
> > > the prblm is in the assumption that DAlits cant
> understand anything and
> > > chieftains of civil society has to make them
> aware of it... i was
> > > questioning it.
> > > dalits from their day to day experience are
> theorising society/culture/
> > > they understood wht ambedkar said from their
> lived experiences
> > > evolving dalit discourse will be testimony to
> > >
> > > chengara brings forth the agency of people and
> their struggle itself is
> > > theorisation of critique of kerala model of
> devpt and class
> > deterministic
> > > marxist discourse of the region
> > >
> > > On 3/25/08, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > With all appreciation and pride for Mayavathi
> ,let one also be
> > > > reminded of this slogan, reportedly used by
> the BSP in the electoral
> > > > campaign that led Mayavathi ultimately to the
> CM's post.
> > > > "Brahman sankh bajaayega, haathi aage
> badaayega."
> > > > Venu.K.M
> > >
> > > > -
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
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