I am happy to see Ranjith upholding the spirit of democracy, though polemically. I feel I was wrong in ridiculing GPRamachandran. He has the right to remain silent.
But please don't vulgarise opponent's 'theory' Ranjith. I never questioned Ramachandran's right to write supporting CPIM on Nandigram. Nor do I demanded his response on Chengara issue. I asked him specifically to explain Pu Ka Sa's proclaimed standpoint on Night Vigil. That too, when he asked us to respond to an issue as democrats. Sugathakumari or Ajitha never do this . So, the question do not arise. Anyway, please advise me what to do ( beyond polemics) now. i value your criticism and suggestion. I apologise to Ramachandran once again. Ramachandran being somebody who wrote eloquently on discourses on moralism against the background of S.Sudheesh's tirade against certain CPIM leaders.. Do think about your complicity in the civil society violence against a group of activists at this point of time ... Best On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:53 PM, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if he intervenes (like sugathakumari-crossthread), nobody wish to object > it based on his 'moral' background. it is as simple as that he can do it. > but nobody is here after him to make him intervene or speak out. (i think > dileep has to withdraw his promise of being silent) > > > On 3/25/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > sorry for the cross-threadng > > but no prblm if one d look beyond a thread > > is it true that nobody in the forum wanted him to make his stand on > > clear? i dont know > > again sorry > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > comrade gp lamented here for his abuse mail threat and this mail > > > thread is about it. nobody wish his intervention on Chengara struggle.. > > > > > > On 3/25/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > if the "cultural Leaders" need not give explanations for their > > > > silences why should we compel GP to give explanations.. (recallng > > > > previous > > > > cultural leaders/feminists' silence on chitralekha issue debate in the > > > > same > > > > forum) > > > > so... dileep, sanjeev, salim could demand anything from any one, and > > > > if some one else try to reflect upon the state of actvsm (Ref: > > > > chitralekha) > > > > it's a big problem > > > > hmmmm..... nice theory and methodology..future reserachers should > > > > learn from it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > and seee dileep promises his silence to break the silence of > > > > > comrade GP. what for all these!!!? to get the good certificate from > > > > > the 'big > > > > > brother'? when these intellectual rowdies shamelessly justify the > > > > > killing in > > > > > nadigram and talking against chengara struggle, do we need to be > > > > > polite? > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, aryakrishnan ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, Jenson Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I publicly apologise to comrade GP. I wrote that in a fit of > > > > > > anger. Now > > > > > > > please do your part of explanation, please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenson > > > > > > > > > > > > A good move, you should aplogise. Actually we all should > > > > > > apologise. > > > > > > Not only to GP, but to other comrades also and the party. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you all demanding an explanation from him? Is in't it > > > > > > okay to > > > > > > ignore the local trivias, when there are serious burning affairs > > > > > > in > > > > > > the world? Let us think of Global warming. Human beings are in > > > > > > threat > > > > > > as a species. May be some of us have grown to a point where they > > > > > > donot > > > > > > feel about the local, small issues. Like for example Jayati > > > > > > Ghosh, > > > > > > Prabhat Patnaik and many other intellectuals did not want to > > > > > > comment > > > > > > on some small killings and few rapes in Nandigram; they spent > > > > > > their > > > > > > valuable time and energy in explaining the threat of > > > > > > imperialism. And > > > > > > Bengal and kerala are the only states where imperialism is > > > > > > resisted. > > > > > > We have to see how party is struggling to not let the forces > > > > > > come in. > > > > > > It is very difficult even for Achudanandan, though he comes from > > > > > > a > > > > > > trade union. > > > > > > > > > > > > A communist is one who oppose imperialism, and that is a western > > > > > > thing, you know!. After all the state is run by the party. And > > > > > > whether > > > > > > it is VS or pinarayi they are malayalis. And all land should go > > > > > > to > > > > > > them. We ought to think of things in the larger context as > > > > > > Prakash > > > > > > Karat and Vrinda thinks. There are big international moves > > > > > > happening > > > > > > to take away Kerala. And the multi national companies, neo > > > > > > liberalism, > > > > > > market oriented capitalism, privatisation, GM products etc etc > > > > > > are > > > > > > there to fight with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of G P Ramachandran's mail were ridiculed in this forum > > > > > > > > in the past. Even now,what is questioned is his silence . > > > > > > > > ( as for me, i even predicted in a response to Shahina that > > > > > > CPIm wing > > > > > > > intellectuals will wwait for happenings in some part of the > > > > > > world in order > > > > > > > to reappear with fresh energy) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The specific question asked was on PuKaSa's standpoint > > > > > > > > on NightVigil supporting Chengara. His position on nandigram > > > > > > > > which support CPIM stand. ( It is his positions which are > > > > > > being > > > > > > > criticised) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The context and timing of his forwarded appeal invoked > > > > > > critical > > > > > > > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I personally didn't have anything against him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, don't understand what prevents him from entering into a > > > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > I am ready to remain silent on this thread if he believes > > > > > > that it only > > > > > > > will ensure a > > > > > > > > 'democratic' discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Bobby Kunhu < > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forwarding this to the list, as I think it might be > > > > > > fruitful to have a > > > > > > > democratic discussion in this light on Chengara and the > > > > > > CPI(M)'s take on the > > > > > > > struggle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > > > > From: Ramachandran G P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > Date: 24 Mar 2008 20:18 > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [GreenYouth] without comments > > > > > > > > > To: Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bobby > > > > > > > > > I am not a spokesperson of CPIM, Deshabhimani or Kairali. > > > > > > I do not > > > > > > > > > understand the position taken by the friends, that unless > > > > > > you publicly > > > > > > > > > comment on a particular issue supporting Dilip raj, all of > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > observations, e mails will be ridiculed. I am ready for an > > > > > > open and > > > > > > > > > public discussion, if these friends have any faith in > > > > > > democracy. > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/24/08, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Ramachandran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without prejudices to anyone's mortality or immortality, > > > > > > political > > > > > > > party, > > > > > > > > > > individual or state, one must definitely condemn > > > > > > personal abuses and > > > > > > > > > > threats in a discussion, within any democratic fora. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With all due respect and solidarity to the Palestinian > > > > > > Struggle, it > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > nice if you could share your perspective on CPIM's stand > > > > > > (if you are > > > > > > > > > > speaking on behalf of that party) or your personal > > > > > > position vis-a-vis > > > > > > > > > > Chengara and Nandigram, especially in the light of your > > > > > > purported > > > > > > > article in > > > > > > > > > > Deshabhimani, which I unfortunately have not seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that you would respond soon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24/03/2008, Ramachandran G P < > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is a mail i got in my mail box. jenson joseph > > > > > > send it. long > > > > > > > live > > > > > > > > > > democracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello mr ramachandran, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talk about chengara now. Not israel. okay? I get > > > > > > another forward > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > you about Israel to Greenyouth, without claryfying > > > > > > your and your > > > > > > > > > > > organisation's stand on Chengara struggle and the ugly > > > > > > reports in > > > > > > > > > > > Deshabhimani, your inbox will be full of abuse mails. > > > > > > mind it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > G P Ramachandran > > > > > > > > > > > AKAM, PERIMBADARI PO > > > > > > > > > > > MANNARKKAD, PALAKKAD DT > > > > > > > > > > > KERALA, INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > 04924 223990, 09447239544 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KERALA, INDIA > > > > > > > > > 04924 223990, 09447239544 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Bobby Kunhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dileep R I thuravoor --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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