dear dileep, 'we' are really excited about your initiatives in connection with chengara struggle, though anxious and worried about the smear red-campaign against such initiatives putting the persons involved in at risk of personal insult and danger.
waiting for the good news about Chengara solidarity committee convention. money, yes of course,, as u said it is hard-earned. not 'easy' foreign fund. but let us know how and whom.. love salim On 3/25/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Friends, > > my feeling is that there is no hard and fast rule to > find out allies and adversaries in this fight for democracy. > > somebody told me that there is a 'news' in Deshabhimani daily yesterday > about > somebody collecting money through internet for Chengara! > > Couldn't read it as their website is under maintainance. > > may be they are referring to our call.. > > a party with private property accusing poor citizens who try to do > something transparently > by relying on their hard earned money !! > > Am yet to varify it but it won't be a surprise if they accuse so. > > As state level solidarity committe will be formed in 29th convention at > Trivandrum, we are > concentrating on organising national level convention in April. > > Will get back after the organising committee meeting on 27th. > > Meanwhile we are going ahead with our legal steps against Deshabhimani and > kairali on > Night Vigil reporting. > > Deshabhimani weekly contacted me for an article on Chengara. After > consulting friends we decided to use this opportunity. > It will come out this week. > > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:27 PM, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > dileep, > > ** > > *"please don't vulgarise opponent's 'theory' "* > > > > this is what i was also trying to convey > > > > there is nothing wrong in such polemical attacks > > i find nothing wrong in it > > as person who involve in public actionlke dileep has every right to > > indulge in polemics > > in fact i must say one d have a claim on polemics (many of us dont have > > it) > > theory follows polemics > > i believe in polemics and its power to guide public discourses.. so we > > need to ve access to it > > > > I didnt want to raise this at this point > > as i dont want dileep to waist his time on my polemics > > but the way things were turnng up i wrte > > > > i m no one to say wht to do > > right from the begining i ve maintained that i support whtver u r trying > > to do within ur limited capacity for chengra strgle..keep the good work > > going.. > > in solidarity > > > > > > On 3/25/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I am happy to see Ranjith upholding the spirit of democracy, though > > > polemically. > > > I feel I was wrong in ridiculing GPRamachandran. He has the right to > > > remain silent. > > > > > > But please don't vulgarise opponent's 'theory' Ranjith. > > > I never questioned Ramachandran's right to write supporting CPIM on > > > Nandigram. > > > Nor do I demanded his response on Chengara issue. I asked him > > > specifically to explain > > > Pu Ka Sa's proclaimed standpoint on Night Vigil. > > > > > > That too, when he asked us to respond to an issue as democrats. > > > > > > Sugathakumari or Ajitha never do this . So, the question do not arise. > > > > > > Anyway, please advise me what to do ( beyond polemics) now. > > > i value your criticism and suggestion. > > > > > > I apologise to Ramachandran once again. Ramachandran being somebody > > > who > > > wrote eloquently on discourses on moralism against the background of > > > S.Sudheesh's > > > tirade against certain CPIM leaders.. > > > > > > Do think about your complicity in the civil society violence against a > > > group of activists at this point of time ... > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:53 PM, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > if he intervenes (like sugathakumari-crossthread), nobody wish to > > > > object it based on his 'moral' background. it is as simple as that he > > > > can do > > > > it. > > > > but nobody is here after him to make him intervene or speak out. (i > > > > think dileep has to withdraw his promise of being silent) > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > sorry for the cross-threadng > > > > > but no prblm if one d look beyond a thread > > > > > is it true that nobody in the forum wanted him to make his stand > > > > > on clear? i dont know > > > > > again sorry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > comrade gp lamented here for his abuse mail threat and this > > > > > > mail thread is about it. nobody wish his intervention on Chengara > > > > > > struggle.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > if the "cultural Leaders" need not give explanations for > > > > > > > their silences why should we compel GP to give explanations.. > > > > > > > (recallng > > > > > > > previous cultural leaders/feminists' silence on chitralekha issue > > > > > > > debate in > > > > > > > the same forum) > > > > > > > so... dileep, sanjeev, salim could demand anything from any > > > > > > > one, and if some one else try to reflect upon the state of actvsm > > > > > > > (Ref: > > > > > > > chitralekha) it's a big problem > > > > > > > hmmmm..... nice theory and methodology..future reserachers > > > > > > > should learn from it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and seee dileep promises his silence to break the silence > > > > > > > > of comrade GP. what for all these!!!? to get the good > > > > > > > > certificate from the > > > > > > > > 'big brother'? when these intellectual rowdies shamelessly > > > > > > > > justify the > > > > > > > > killing in nadigram and talking against chengara struggle, do > > > > > > > > we need to be > > > > > > > > polite? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, aryakrishnan ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, Jenson Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I publicly apologise to comrade GP. I wrote that in a > > > > > > > > > fit of anger. Now > > > > > > > > > > please do your part of explanation, please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good move, you should aplogise. Actually we all should > > > > > > > > > apologise. > > > > > > > > > Not only to GP, but to other comrades also and the party. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you all demanding an explanation from him? Is in't > > > > > > > > > it okay to > > > > > > > > > ignore the local trivias, when there are serious burning > > > > > > > > > affairs in > > > > > > > > > the world? Let us think of Global warming. Human beings > > > > > > > > > are in threat > > > > > > > > > as a species. May be some of us have grown to a point > > > > > > > > > where they donot > > > > > > > > > feel about the local, small issues. Like for example > > > > > > > > > Jayati Ghosh, > > > > > > > > > Prabhat Patnaik and many other intellectuals did not want > > > > > > > > > to comment > > > > > > > > > on some small killings and few rapes in Nandigram; they > > > > > > > > > spent their > > > > > > > > > valuable time and energy in explaining the threat of > > > > > > > > > imperialism. And > > > > > > > > > Bengal and kerala are the only states where imperialism is > > > > > > > > > resisted. > > > > > > > > > We have to see how party is struggling to not let the > > > > > > > > > forces come in. > > > > > > > > > It is very difficult even for Achudanandan, though he > > > > > > > > > comes from a > > > > > > > > > trade union. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A communist is one who oppose imperialism, and that is a > > > > > > > > > western > > > > > > > > > thing, you know!. After all the state is run by the party. > > > > > > > > > And whether > > > > > > > > > it is VS or pinarayi they are malayalis. And all land > > > > > > > > > should go to > > > > > > > > > them. We ought to think of things in the larger context as > > > > > > > > > Prakash > > > > > > > > > Karat and Vrinda thinks. There are big international moves > > > > > > > > > happening > > > > > > > > > to take away Kerala. And the multi national companies, neo > > > > > > > > > liberalism, > > > > > > > > > market oriented capitalism, privatisation, GM products etc > > > > > > > > > etc are > > > > > > > > > there to fight with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Dileep Raj < > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of G P Ramachandran's mail were ridiculed in this > > > > > > > > > forum > > > > > > > > > > > in the past. Even now,what is questioned is his > > > > > > > > > silence . > > > > > > > > > > > ( as for me, i even predicted in a response to Shahina > > > > > > > > > that CPIm wing > > > > > > > > > > intellectuals will wwait for happenings in some part of > > > > > > > > > the world in order > > > > > > > > > > to reappear with fresh energy) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The specific question asked was on PuKaSa's standpoint > > > > > > > > > > > on NightVigil supporting Chengara. His position on > > > > > > > > > nandigram > > > > > > > > > > > which support CPIM stand. ( It is his positions which > > > > > > > > > are being > > > > > > > > > > criticised) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The context and timing of his forwarded appeal invoked > > > > > > > > > critical > > > > > > > > > > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I personally didn't have anything against him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, don't understand what prevents him from entering > > > > > > > > > into a discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > I am ready to remain silent on this thread if he > > > > > > > > > believes that it only > > > > > > > > > > will ensure a > > > > > > > > > > > 'democratic' discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Bobby Kunhu < > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forwarding this to the list, as I think it might be > > > > > > > > > fruitful to have a > > > > > > > > > > democratic discussion in this light on Chengara and the > > > > > > > > > CPI(M)'s take on the > > > > > > > > > > struggle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Ramachandran G P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: 24 Mar 2008 20:18 > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [GreenYouth] without comments > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bobby > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not a spokesperson of CPIM, Deshabhimani or > > > > > > > > > Kairali. I do not > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the position taken by the friends, that > > > > > > > > > unless you publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > comment on a particular issue supporting Dilip raj, > > > > > > > > > all of your > > > > > > > > > > > > observations, e mails will be ridiculed. I am ready > > > > > > > > > for an open and > > > > > > > > > > > > public discussion, if these friends have any faith > > > > > > > > > in democracy. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/24/08, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Ramachandran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without prejudices to anyone's mortality or > > > > > > > > > immortality, political > > > > > > > > > > party, > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual or state, one must definitely condemn > > > > > > > > > personal abuses and > > > > > > > > > > > > > threats in a discussion, within any democratic > > > > > > > > > fora. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With all due respect and solidarity to the > > > > > > > > > Palestinian Struggle, it > > > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice if you could share your perspective on CPIM's > > > > > > > > > stand (if you are > > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking on behalf of that party) or your personal > > > > > > > > > position vis-a-vis > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chengara and Nandigram, especially in the light of > > > > > > > > > your purported > > > > > > > > > > article in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deshabhimani, which I unfortunately have not seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that you would respond soon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24/03/2008, Ramachandran G P < > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is a mail i got in my mail box. jenson > > > > > > > > > joseph send it. long > > > > > > > > > > live > > > > > > > > > > > > > democracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello mr ramachandran, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talk about chengara now. Not israel. okay? I get > > > > > > > > > another forward > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you about Israel to Greenyouth, without > > > > > > > > > claryfying your and your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organisation's stand on Chengara struggle and > > > > > > > > > the ugly reports in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deshabhimani, your inbox will be full of abuse > > > > > > > > > mails. mind it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G P Ramachandran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AKAM, PERIMBADARI PO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MANNARKKAD, PALAKKAD DT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KERALA, INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 04924 223990, 09447239544 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KERALA, INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > 04924 223990, 09447239544 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Bobby Kunhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Dileep R I thuravoor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Dileep R I thuravoor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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