right...rights...rights....!!! when the struggle lasts to months and the situation deteriorating in rain..kids.. and we all are worried about it alarmingly. red intellectuals keep a very clean decent silence. some did a night vigil (to do 'something'-crossthread). they ridiculed in their supporting channels, pukasa n all. and now comrade gp came up for a universal support to palastine people!! what is the surprise in it when he gets a rain of differet kinds of responses!! i think all responses to him are just in this particular context responding to his great but shameful palastine campign. may be some other time a palastine campaign from cpm fort is a 'harmless' issue.
On 3/25/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am happy to see Ranjith upholding the spirit of democracy, though > polemically. > I feel I was wrong in ridiculing GPRamachandran. He has the right to > remain silent. > > But please don't vulgarise opponent's 'theory' Ranjith. > I never questioned Ramachandran's right to write supporting CPIM on > Nandigram. > Nor do I demanded his response on Chengara issue. I asked him specifically > to explain > Pu Ka Sa's proclaimed standpoint on Night Vigil. > > That too, when he asked us to respond to an issue as democrats. > > Sugathakumari or Ajitha never do this . So, the question do not arise. > > Anyway, please advise me what to do ( beyond polemics) now. > i value your criticism and suggestion. > > I apologise to Ramachandran once again. Ramachandran being somebody who > wrote eloquently on discourses on moralism against the background of > S.Sudheesh's > tirade against certain CPIM leaders.. > > Do think about your complicity in the civil society violence against a > group of activists at this point of time ... > > Best > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:53 PM, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > if he intervenes (like sugathakumari-crossthread), nobody wish to object > > it based on his 'moral' background. it is as simple as that he can do it. > > but nobody is here after him to make him intervene or speak out. (i > > think dileep has to withdraw his promise of being silent) > > > > > > On 3/25/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > sorry for the cross-threadng > > > but no prblm if one d look beyond a thread > > > is it true that nobody in the forum wanted him to make his stand on > > > clear? i dont know > > > again sorry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > comrade gp lamented here for his abuse mail threat and this mail > > > > thread is about it. nobody wish his intervention on Chengara struggle.. > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > if the "cultural Leaders" need not give explanations for their > > > > > silences why should we compel GP to give explanations.. (recallng > > > > > previous > > > > > cultural leaders/feminists' silence on chitralekha issue debate in > > > > > the same > > > > > forum) > > > > > so... dileep, sanjeev, salim could demand anything from any one, > > > > > and if some one else try to reflect upon the state of actvsm (Ref: > > > > > chitralekha) it's a big problem > > > > > hmmmm..... nice theory and methodology..future reserachers should > > > > > learn from it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > and seee dileep promises his silence to break the silence of > > > > > > comrade GP. what for all these!!!? to get the good certificate from > > > > > > the 'big > > > > > > brother'? when these intellectual rowdies shamelessly justify the > > > > > > killing in > > > > > > nadigram and talking against chengara struggle, do we need to be > > > > > > polite? > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, aryakrishnan ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, Jenson Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I publicly apologise to comrade GP. I wrote that in a fit of > > > > > > > anger. Now > > > > > > > > please do your part of explanation, please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good move, you should aplogise. Actually we all should > > > > > > > apologise. > > > > > > > Not only to GP, but to other comrades also and the party. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you all demanding an explanation from him? Is in't it > > > > > > > okay to > > > > > > > ignore the local trivias, when there are serious burning > > > > > > > affairs in > > > > > > > the world? Let us think of Global warming. Human beings are in > > > > > > > threat > > > > > > > as a species. May be some of us have grown to a point where > > > > > > > they donot > > > > > > > feel about the local, small issues. Like for example Jayati > > > > > > > Ghosh, > > > > > > > Prabhat Patnaik and many other intellectuals did not want to > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > on some small killings and few rapes in Nandigram; they spent > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > valuable time and energy in explaining the threat of > > > > > > > imperialism. And > > > > > > > Bengal and kerala are the only states where imperialism is > > > > > > > resisted. > > > > > > > We have to see how party is struggling to not let the forces > > > > > > > come in. > > > > > > > It is very difficult even for Achudanandan, though he comes > > > > > > > from a > > > > > > > trade union. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A communist is one who oppose imperialism, and that is a > > > > > > > western > > > > > > > thing, you know!. After all the state is run by the party. And > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > it is VS or pinarayi they are malayalis. And all land should > > > > > > > go to > > > > > > > them. We ought to think of things in the larger context as > > > > > > > Prakash > > > > > > > Karat and Vrinda thinks. There are big international moves > > > > > > > happening > > > > > > > to take away Kerala. And the multi national companies, neo > > > > > > > liberalism, > > > > > > > market oriented capitalism, privatisation, GM products etc etc > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > there to fight with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Dileep Raj < > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of G P Ramachandran's mail were ridiculed in this > > > > > > > forum > > > > > > > > > in the past. Even now,what is questioned is his silence . > > > > > > > > > ( as for me, i even predicted in a response to Shahina > > > > > > > that CPIm wing > > > > > > > > intellectuals will wwait for happenings in some part of the > > > > > > > world in order > > > > > > > > to reappear with fresh energy) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The specific question asked was on PuKaSa's standpoint > > > > > > > > > on NightVigil supporting Chengara. His position on > > > > > > > nandigram > > > > > > > > > which support CPIM stand. ( It is his positions which are > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > criticised) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The context and timing of his forwarded appeal invoked > > > > > > > critical > > > > > > > > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I personally didn't have anything against him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, don't understand what prevents him from entering into > > > > > > > a discussion. > > > > > > > > > I am ready to remain silent on this thread if he believes > > > > > > > that it only > > > > > > > > will ensure a > > > > > > > > > 'democratic' discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Bobby Kunhu < > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forwarding this to the list, as I think it might be > > > > > > > fruitful to have a > > > > > > > > democratic discussion in this light on Chengara and the > > > > > > > CPI(M)'s take on the > > > > > > > > struggle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > > > > > From: Ramachandran G P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > Date: 24 Mar 2008 20:18 > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [GreenYouth] without comments > > > > > > > > > > To: Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bobby > > > > > > > > > > I am not a spokesperson of CPIM, Deshabhimani or > > > > > > > Kairali. I do not > > > > > > > > > > understand the position taken by the friends, that > > > > > > > unless you publicly > > > > > > > > > > comment on a particular issue supporting Dilip raj, all > > > > > > > of your > > > > > > > > > > observations, e mails will be ridiculed. I am ready for > > > > > > > an open and > > > > > > > > > > public discussion, if these friends have any faith in > > > > > > > democracy. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/24/08, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Ramachandran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without prejudices to anyone's mortality or > > > > > > > immortality, political > > > > > > > > party, > > > > > > > > > > > individual or state, one must definitely condemn > > > > > > > personal abuses and > > > > > > > > > > > threats in a discussion, within any democratic fora. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With all due respect and solidarity to the Palestinian > > > > > > > Struggle, it > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > > nice if you could share your perspective on CPIM's > > > > > > > stand (if you are > > > > > > > > > > > speaking on behalf of that party) or your personal > > > > > > > position vis-a-vis > > > > > > > > > > > Chengara and Nandigram, especially in the light of > > > > > > > your purported > > > > > > > > article in > > > > > > > > > > > Deshabhimani, which I unfortunately have not seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that you would respond soon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24/03/2008, Ramachandran G P < > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is a mail i got in my mail box. jenson joseph > > > > > > > send it. long > > > > > > > > live > > > > > > > > > > > democracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello mr ramachandran, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talk about chengara now. Not israel. okay? I get > > > > > > > another forward > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > you about Israel to Greenyouth, without claryfying > > > > > > > your and your > > > > > > > > > > > > organisation's stand on Chengara struggle and the > > > > > > > ugly reports in > > > > > > > > > > > > Deshabhimani, your inbox will be full of abuse > > > > > > > mails. mind it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > G P Ramachandran > > > > > > > > > > > > AKAM, PERIMBADARI PO > > > > > > > > > > > > MANNARKKAD, PALAKKAD DT > > > > > > > > > > > > KERALA, INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > 04924 223990, 09447239544 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KERALA, INDIA > > > > > > > > > > 04924 223990, 09447239544 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Bobby Kunhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dileep R I thuravoor --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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