Exactly... active involvement can make some decisions easier, but then it is also directly connected to whether you feel that a struggle is 'our/my' struggle or 'their' struggle. It boils down to how each individual feels connected to the issue.
R On 4/10/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think our inner self is engendered by the constitutive outside. > If we were actively involved in plachimada struggle, this won't touch our > innerself. > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Rohit Shetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>Why do we experience guilt while drinking cola? Out of our inability > > to support Plachimada struggle or out of our image consciousness? > > > > I think inner consciousness is more important than image consciousness. > > > > R > > > > > > On 4/10/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohit, > > > > > > What interested me in the discussion was the set of 'qualifying' > > > conditions > > > imagined for supporting the boycot. "If I were in a desert", "At least > > > in front of the samarappandal"... naomi Clein writes in No Logo about the > > > possibility of allinaces fascilitated by the symbols. It becomes more > > > political when students in 'developed' countries boycot Nyckie ( I am not > > > sure about the spelling :)) while knowing about the > > > human rights violation in factories located in third world countries. > > > When we do it in front of the samarappandal, it indeed is to > > > 'convince' some onlookers. > > > > > > I am afraid, some UGC professors in Kerala wear khadar jubbas, not > > > because they don't have desire for other products nor because they lack > > > resourses , but being afraid of the 'people' who will judge them while > > > they > > > speak on public issues. > > > > > > If somebody mixes cola in whisky ( in private) after boycotting it in > > > public (in front of samarappandal), the same moralists will aprove that as > > > politically correct. Because you are not causing damage to the struggle! > > > > > > Why do we experience guilt while drinking cola? Out of our inability > > > to support Plachimada struggle or out of our image consciousness? > > > > > > The main demands of plachimada struggle at this point are, > > > > > > Cola quit Plachimada and Compensate > > > Prosecute criminal Coca Cola > > > > > > Is boycotting effective as major strategy in supporting these > > > demands? > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Rohit Shetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Dilieep, > > > > > > > > I don't think that product users are not un-qualified to participate > > > > in the struggles. > > > > > > > > I support the ex-workers of Hindustan Lever in Kodaikanal - but have > > > > still not been able to boycott all Unilever products in my life. I speak > > > > against Nestle's child rights abuses in cocoa farms, but I still eat > > > > Maggi > > > > Noodles. These are cases where we can atleast know the products and > > > > identify > > > > alternatives. However in the case of Dow Chemicals, I may not even know > > > > if > > > > the dye in the shirt I'm wearing has a Dow product in it. But that still > > > > does not stop me from supporting the Bhopalis. > > > > > > > > Bocycotting can be interpreted as political correctness, but its not > > > > an absolute in itself. A fellow protestor may not agree with boycotting > > > > and > > > > there could some valid reasons of not boycotting too. However, I would > > > > just > > > > like to look at boycot as one of the many means in which to support an > > > > issue > > > > in an atmosphere where we agree to disagree. > > > > > > > > I share your concerns about judgement. Infact I have myself been > > > > somewhat judgemental in expressing reservations in many discourses on > > > > caste > > > > when it happens in elitist circles. Nevertheless, judgement has its > > > > place, > > > > but we ought to be smart enough not to make them a bottleneck > > > > > > > > Rohit > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/10/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "The other important thing here is to recognise the symbols - Coke > > > > > is a symbol of water-rights and environmental abuse" > > > > > > > > > > Do symbols overpower us at times? > > > > > > > > > > Suppose the product is an undergarment or condum. Will there be a > > > > > conspicous campaign to boycot > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > Another concern always disturbed me in discusiions like this is > > > > > about the judgemental nature of it. > > > > > ( I am sure, once I take part in this discussion, i will be > > > > > judged) > > > > > > > > > > Is boycotting a symbol of the political correctness of the > > > > > boycotters? The performative nature of such acts need to be > > > > > rethought. > > > > > > > > > > Most of the time, those who are not in the least sympathetic to > > > > > the struggle raise such allegations against those who support it. > > > > > > > > > > Laha Gopalan, owns land, so he is not morally qualified to lead > > > > > the land struggle. > > > > > > > > > > This guy uses this product, so s/he is not qualified to support > > > > > this struggle. > > > > > > > > > > When boycotting itself is a form of struggle, the situation is > > > > > different. Otherwise I always doubt such "impeachments". > > > > > I stand by Aryan's sincere position here. Not that others are > > > > > hypocratic. > > > > > But there is a fear factor underneath, I am 'afraid' > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:23 PM, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > dear Aryan, > > > > > > as rohit said, will it not be an insult to the people n > > > > > > organizations around the world, who struggle against cola if u > > > > > > drink it? at > > > > > > least, isnt it basic courtesy no to drink it infront of a samara > > > > > > panthal? > > > > > > when a boycot appeal against criminal cola is raised, what will be > > > > > > the > > > > > > primary action one has to take? cola products include all products > > > > > > coke > > > > > > produces including kinley exploting local water resource unjustly. > > > > > > isnt it > > > > > > our 'ethical' commitment no to drink any cola products in kierala > > > > > > as long as > > > > > > the plachimada struggle continues? > > > > > > love > > > > > > salim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/9/08, aryakrishnan ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 12:04 AM, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > any ethical question in drinking cola? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Salim, > > > > > > > I was very apologetic and closetted about my liking for coca > > > > > > > cola. > > > > > > > Still I like the taste of the cola. I dont have any opposition > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > cola based on health grounds or ethical grounds. Tropicana > > > > > > > juice , > > > > > > > that natural flavoured one also come from Pepsico in India. If > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > exploit people I will support that struggle also, but will I > > > > > > > stop > > > > > > > drinking it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the opposition towards cocacola or is it against their > > > > > > > corporate > > > > > > > policies and double standard in Plachimada? I would say my > > > > > > > opposition > > > > > > > is towards the second. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aryan > > > > > > > ps. I dont understand the logic of drinking tropicana and > > > > > > > avoiding > > > > > > > cocacola for political reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dileep R I thuravoor > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dileep R I thuravoor --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
