I totally concur. On 4/10/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If a 'we' feeling is there, one could unashamedly be oneself ( with all > imperfections) > and support each other. sacrifices are demanded when the relationship is > heirarchical. > > If somebody sacrifices something out of ethical considerations.. i have > nothng against it. but if the same person demands the same from evreybody.. > I object > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Rohit Shetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Exactly... active involvement can make some decisions easier, but then > > it is also directly connected to whether you feel that a struggle is > > 'our/my' struggle or 'their' struggle. It boils down to how each individual > > feels connected to the issue. > > > > R > > > > > > On 4/10/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I think our inner self is engendered by the constitutive outside. > > > If we were actively involved in plachimada struggle, this won't touch > > > our innerself. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Rohit Shetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Why do we experience guilt while drinking cola? Out of our > > > > inability to support Plachimada struggle or out of our image > > > > consciousness? > > > > > > > > I think inner consciousness is more important than image > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > R > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/10/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohit, > > > > > > > > > > What interested me in the discussion was the set of 'qualifying' > > > > > conditions > > > > > imagined for supporting the boycot. "If I were in a desert", "At > > > > > least in front of the samarappandal"... naomi Clein writes in No > > > > > Logo about > > > > > the possibility of allinaces fascilitated by the symbols. It becomes > > > > > more > > > > > political when students in 'developed' countries boycot Nyckie ( I am > > > > > not > > > > > sure about the spelling :)) while knowing about the > > > > > human rights violation in factories located in third world > > > > > countries. > > > > > When we do it in front of the samarappandal, it indeed is to > > > > > 'convince' some onlookers. > > > > > > > > > > I am afraid, some UGC professors in Kerala wear khadar jubbas, not > > > > > because they don't have desire for other products nor because they > > > > > lack > > > > > resourses , but being afraid of the 'people' who will judge them > > > > > while they > > > > > speak on public issues. > > > > > > > > > > If somebody mixes cola in whisky ( in private) after boycotting it > > > > > in public (in front of samarappandal), the same moralists will aprove > > > > > that > > > > > as politically correct. Because you are not causing damage to the > > > > > struggle! > > > > > > > > > > Why do we experience guilt while drinking cola? Out of our > > > > > inability to support Plachimada struggle or out of our image > > > > > consciousness? > > > > > > > > > > The main demands of plachimada struggle at this point are, > > > > > > > > > > Cola quit Plachimada and Compensate > > > > > Prosecute criminal Coca Cola > > > > > > > > > > Is boycotting effective as major strategy in supporting these > > > > > demands? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Rohit Shetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dilieep, > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think that product users are not un-qualified to > > > > > > participate in the struggles. > > > > > > > > > > > > I support the ex-workers of Hindustan Lever in Kodaikanal - but > > > > > > have still not been able to boycott all Unilever products in my > > > > > > life. I > > > > > > speak against Nestle's child rights abuses in cocoa farms, but I > > > > > > still eat > > > > > > Maggi Noodles. These are cases where we can atleast know the > > > > > > products and > > > > > > identify alternatives. However in the case of Dow Chemicals, I may > > > > > > not even > > > > > > know if the dye in the shirt I'm wearing has a Dow product in it. > > > > > > But that > > > > > > still does not stop me from supporting the Bhopalis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bocycotting can be interpreted as political correctness, but its > > > > > > not an absolute in itself. A fellow protestor may not agree with > > > > > > boycotting > > > > > > and there could some valid reasons of not boycotting too. However, > > > > > > I would > > > > > > just like to look at boycot as one of the many means in which to > > > > > > support an > > > > > > issue in an atmosphere where we agree to disagree. > > > > > > > > > > > > I share your concerns about judgement. Infact I have myself been > > > > > > somewhat judgemental in expressing reservations in many discourses > > > > > > on caste > > > > > > when it happens in elitist circles. Nevertheless, judgement has its > > > > > > place, > > > > > > but we ought to be smart enough not to make them a bottleneck > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/10/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The other important thing here is to recognise the symbols - > > > > > > > Coke is a symbol of water-rights and environmental abuse" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do symbols overpower us at times? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose the product is an undergarment or condum. Will there > > > > > > > be a conspicous campaign to boycot > > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another concern always disturbed me in discusiions like this > > > > > > > is about the judgemental nature of it. > > > > > > > ( I am sure, once I take part in this discussion, i will be > > > > > > > judged) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is boycotting a symbol of the political correctness of the > > > > > > > boycotters? The performative nature of such acts need to be > > > > > > > rethought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the time, those who are not in the least sympathetic > > > > > > > to the struggle raise such allegations against those who support > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laha Gopalan, owns land, so he is not morally qualified to > > > > > > > lead the land struggle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This guy uses this product, so s/he is not qualified to > > > > > > > support this struggle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When boycotting itself is a form of struggle, the situation is > > > > > > > different. Otherwise I always doubt such "impeachments". > > > > > > > I stand by Aryan's sincere position here. Not that others are > > > > > > > hypocratic. > > > > > > > But there is a fear factor underneath, I am 'afraid' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:23 PM, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Aryan, > > > > > > > > as rohit said, will it not be an insult to the people n > > > > > > > > organizations around the world, who struggle against cola if u > > > > > > > > drink it? at > > > > > > > > least, isnt it basic courtesy no to drink it infront of a > > > > > > > > samara panthal? > > > > > > > > when a boycot appeal against criminal cola is raised, what will > > > > > > > > be the > > > > > > > > primary action one has to take? cola products include all > > > > > > > > products coke > > > > > > > > produces including kinley exploting local water resource > > > > > > > > unjustly. isnt it > > > > > > > > our 'ethical' commitment no to drink any cola products in > > > > > > > > kierala as long as > > > > > > > > the plachimada struggle continues? > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > salim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/9/08, aryakrishnan ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 12:04 AM, salimtk < > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > any ethical question in drinking cola? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Salim, > > > > > > > > > I was very apologetic and closetted about my liking for > > > > > > > > > coca cola. > > > > > > > > > Still I like the taste of the cola. I dont have any > > > > > > > > > opposition to the > > > > > > > > > cola based on health grounds or ethical grounds. Tropicana > > > > > > > > > juice , > > > > > > > > > that natural flavoured one also come from Pepsico in > > > > > > > > > India. If they > > > > > > > > > exploit people I will support that struggle also, but will > > > > > > > > > I stop > > > > > > > > > drinking it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the opposition towards cocacola or is it against their > > > > > > > > > corporate > > > > > > > > > policies and double standard in Plachimada? I would say my > > > > > > > > > opposition > > > > > > > > > is towards the second. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aryan > > > > > > > > > ps. I dont understand the logic of drinking tropicana and > > > > > > > > > avoiding > > > > > > > > > cocacola for political reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Dileep R I thuravoor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dileep R I thuravoor > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dileep R I thuravoor
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