dear Dileepa no offense meant to infants, but meant weak/ immature logic. the discussion thread was not really out of context, but followed by ur fwd mail of boycotting criminal cola campaign n 100days fasting.
here boycotting cola on the basis of its israel business root (no idea if it's true) has hit its market severely. boycotting is still an effective form of strike. but our discussion was almost about abstinence. seeecret : and we'd a wondeful night :) love salim On 4/10/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Saleem, > > 'infantile" logic!!! ? > > Why children should always be be'littled' ?!! > > I feel discussing this problem out of context would result in infinite > regress. > we all were making refernces to certain specific contexts/ experiences.. > > So, I am in a fuzzy state.. Don't want to take a black and white position on > it as well.. > > ( secret: Last time while Saleem was returnig to Saudi , we had an actual > situation where > our opinion differed on Cola!! ) > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:43 PM, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > my questions sure were not based on the anxieties of self > perfection.infact, in this case i never imagined of something like sacrifice > either. > > (secret: i dont like cola taste, be it alone or with rum). my anxiety was > > always about the feelings the people who r at struggle might have if they > > see me drinking it. onlookers 've nothing to do with this and nor do > > have the kurta wearing organizers. but, the people who are suffering by > > cola production. > > > > but, realized my infantile logic now. thanks to dileep n aryan. > > > > n 4/10/08, Rohit Shetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I totally concur. > > > > > > On 4/10/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > If a 'we' feeling is there, one could unashamedly be oneself ( with > > > > all imperfections) > > > > and support each other. sacrifices are demanded when the relationship > > > > is heirarchical. > > > > > > > > If somebody sacrifices something out of ethical considerations.. i > > > > have nothng against it. but if the same person demands the same from > > > > evreybody.. I object > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Rohit Shetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Exactly... active involvement can make some decisions easier, but > > > > > then it is also directly connected to whether you feel that a > struggle is > > > > > 'our/my' struggle or 'their' struggle. It boils down to how each > individual > > > > > feels connected to the issue. > > > > > > > > > > R > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/10/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think our inner self is engendered by the constitutive > > > > > > outside. > > > > > > If we were actively involved in plachimada struggle, this won't > > > > > > touch our innerself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Rohit Shetti < > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Why do we experience guilt while drinking cola? Out of our > > > > > > > inability to support Plachimada struggle or out of our image > consciousness? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think inner consciousness is more important than image > > > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/10/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What interested me in the discussion was the set of > > > > > > > > 'qualifying' conditions > > > > > > > > imagined for supporting the boycot. "If I were in a desert", > > > > > > > > "At least in front of the samarappandal"... naomi Clein > writes in No Logo > > > > > > > > about the possibility of allinaces fascilitated by the > symbols. It becomes > > > > > > > > more political when students in 'developed' countries boycot > Nyckie ( I am > > > > > > > > not sure about the spelling :)) while knowing about the > > > > > > > > human rights violation in factories located in third world > > > > > > > > countries. > > > > > > > > When we do it in front of the samarappandal, it indeed is to > > > > > > > > 'convince' some onlookers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am afraid, some UGC professors in Kerala wear khadar jubbas, > > > > > > > > not because they don't have desire for other products nor > because they lack > > > > > > > > resourses , but being afraid of the 'people' who will judge > them while they > > > > > > > > speak on public issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If somebody mixes cola in whisky ( in private) after > > > > > > > > boycotting it in public (in front of samarappandal), the same > moralists will > > > > > > > > aprove that as politically correct. Because you are not > causing damage to > > > > > > > > the struggle! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do we experience guilt while drinking cola? Out of our > > > > > > > > inability to support Plachimada struggle or out of our image > consciousness? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The main demands of plachimada struggle at this point are, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cola quit Plachimada and Compensate > > > > > > > > Prosecute criminal Coca Cola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is boycotting effective as major strategy in supporting > > > > > > > > these demands? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Rohit Shetti < > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dilieep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think that product users are not un-qualified to > > > > > > > > > participate in the struggles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I support the ex-workers of Hindustan Lever in Kodaikanal - > > > > > > > > > but have still not been able to boycott all Unilever > products in my life. I > > > > > > > > > speak against Nestle's child rights abuses in cocoa farms, > but I still eat > > > > > > > > > Maggi Noodles. These are cases where we can atleast know the > products and > > > > > > > > > identify alternatives. However in the case of Dow Chemicals, > I may not even > > > > > > > > > know if the dye in the shirt I'm wearing has a Dow product > in it. But that > > > > > > > > > still does not stop me from supporting the Bhopalis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bocycotting can be interpreted as political correctness, but > > > > > > > > > its not an absolute in itself. A fellow protestor may not > agree with > > > > > > > > > boycotting and there could some valid reasons of not > boycotting too. > > > > > > > > > However, I would just like to look at boycot as one of the > many means in > > > > > > > > > which to support an issue in an atmosphere where we agree to > disagree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I share your concerns about judgement. Infact I have myself > > > > > > > > > been somewhat judgemental in expressing reservations in many > discourses on > > > > > > > > > caste when it happens in elitist circles. Nevertheless, > judgement has its > > > > > > > > > place, but we ought to be smart enough not to make them a > bottleneck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/10/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The other important thing here is to recognise the > > > > > > > > > > symbols - Coke is a symbol of water-rights and > environmental abuse" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do symbols overpower us at times? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose the product is an undergarment or condum. Will > > > > > > > > > > there be a conspicous campaign to boycot > > > > > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another concern always disturbed me in discusiions like > > > > > > > > > > this is about the judgemental nature of it. > > > > > > > > > > ( I am sure, once I take part in this discussion, i will > > > > > > > > > > be judged) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is boycotting a symbol of the political correctness of the > > > > > > > > > > boycotters? The performative nature of such acts need to > be rethought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the time, those who are not in the least > > > > > > > > > > sympathetic to the struggle raise such allegations against > those who support > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laha Gopalan, owns land, so he is not morally qualified to > > > > > > > > > > lead the land struggle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This guy uses this product, so s/he is not qualified to > > > > > > > > > > support this struggle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When boycotting itself is a form of struggle, the > > > > > > > > > > situation is different. Otherwise I always doubt such > "impeachments". > > > > > > > > > > I stand by Aryan's sincere position here. Not that others > > > > > > > > > > are hypocratic. > > > > > > > > > > But there is a fear factor underneath, I am 'afraid' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:23 PM, salimtk < > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Aryan, > > > > > > > > > > > as rohit said, will it not be an insult to the people n > > > > > > > > > > > organizations around the world, who struggle against > cola if u drink it? at > > > > > > > > > > > least, isnt it basic courtesy no to drink it infront of > a samara panthal? > > > > > > > > > > > when a boycot appeal against criminal cola is raised, > what will be the > > > > > > > > > > > primary action one has to take? cola products include > all products coke > > > > > > > > > > > produces including kinley exploting local water resource > unjustly. isnt it > > > > > > > > > > > our 'ethical' commitment no to drink any cola products > in kierala as long as > > > > > > > > > > > the plachimada struggle continues? > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > salim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/9/08, aryakrishnan ramakrishnan < > > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 12:04 AM, salimtk < > > > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > any ethical question in drinking cola? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Salim, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was very apologetic and closetted about my liking > > > > > > > > > > > > for coca cola. > > > > > > > > > > > > Still I like the taste of the cola. I dont have any > > > > > > > > > > > > opposition to the > > > > > > > > > > > > cola based on health grounds or ethical grounds. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tropicana juice , > > > > > > > > > > > > that natural flavoured one also come from Pepsico in > > > > > > > > > > > > India. If they > > > > > > > > > > > > exploit people I will support that struggle also, but > > > > > > > > > > > > will I stop > > > > > > > > > > > > drinking it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the opposition towards cocacola or is it against > > > > > > > > > > > > their corporate > > > > > > > > > > > > policies and double standard in Plachimada? I would > > > > > > > > > > > > say my opposition > > > > > > > > > > > > is towards the second. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aryan > > > > > > > > > > > > ps. I dont understand the logic of drinking tropicana > > > > > > > > > > > > and avoiding > > > > > > > > > > > > cocacola for political reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Dileep R I thuravoor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Dileep R I thuravoor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dileep R I thuravoor > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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