Don't talk about the differences and rights so that the elite, arrogant, self-confident, universal, united and homogeneous upper caste capitalist man can rule the world with 'pure reason' ....
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 12:25 PM, sreenivas v.p <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Is it not possible to democratize the society without the trademark called > "caste "? Why you want to continue to label a certain population as > Dalits and seclude them from the rest of the society ? > Dalits are becoming scapegoats in the name of reservation. Why you want to > separate them from the mainstream and then try to unite? There are some > feminists who accept the label called "women " and then try to become man . > In reality , the label "women" is only a myth . It is a mark imposed by men > to exploit the so called women . Similarly what is happening is ,a label > is imposed upon SCs/STs to alienate and target them . This is why " Harijan > colonies" are made and nobody turns upto the development of that area. In > this way, untouchability is reinforced. I have many Dalit friends who have > expressed similar views . We believe in a society where there are no labels > like Dalits, women , men etc, but only homosapiens. > regards > sreenivas > bangalore > > > > > > *Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > >> Anti reservation remarks are not aimed at dalits but to oppose any move > to compartmentalize the education system based on caste and religion . > > This is how the cateist neo-liberal neocon view (read Mr Murali in > different threads) align with that of the 'secularist' state communists, on > cast question... They are very much concerned with the caste question when > it is raised for the democratization of the society.. Otherwise they are > very much comfortable with that.... > > >> It is a truth that the real beneficiaries of reservation policy are not > dalits . If the reservation is not aimed at vote banks , why the government > is ignoring Adivasis and other tribal groups? what is the use of providing > reservation to dalits when they lack basic amenities like food and shelter ? > > > Why it happens? Why the places where dalits and minority live are excluded > from infrastructural developments like roads, schools, electricity, water > (read sachar and many other reports) ? Why the probem of "good governance" > (again from Murali) is also a specific dalit and minority problem? > > Still we shouldn't talk about the dalit respresentation in governance.... > It will "deeply divide" our society... > > Regards > Afthab > > > > > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:46 AM, C.K. Vishwanath < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> I would like to reject your meritocratic arguments >> fully.And i saw your the hindu letter as well.we know >> the first generation graduates of india's >> meritocracy in 19th century(-the credit goes to >> chandraben prasad-dalit diary).Most of those savarnna >> students were third rate graduates (opinion given by >> british professors). >> Your arguments are in league with thacher-regan >> consensus.Where is the level playing field for india's >> entire subarltern section of the society? >> --- "sreenivas v.p" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > The "reservation politics" has diluted the quality >> > of higher education in the country .Instead of >> > giving reservation, what the government needs to do >> > is to provide better living condition for the >> > citizens . Let each individual work hard and come up >> > in life . We should throw away the democratic system >> > inorder to protect our education sector. >> > regards >> > sreenivas >> > bangalore >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > "C.K. Vishwanath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrote: >> > Note: forwarded message attached. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:41:46 -0500 (CDT) >> > Subject: ACHR Review: The Gujjar protest and >> > reservation politics >> > From: "ACHR REVIEW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > ACHR WEEKLY REVIEW >> > [The weekly commentary and analysis of the Asian >> > Centre for Human Rights] >> > [ACHR has Special Consultative Status with the UN >> > ECOSOC] >> > C-3/441-C, Janakpuri, New Delhi-110058, India >> > Tel/Fax: +91-11- 45501889 25620583 >> > Website: www.achrweb.org; Email: >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > Index: Review/217/2008 >> > Embargoed for: 28 May 2008 >> > >> > Dear Sir/Madam, >> > >> > Please find attached this week's ACHR WEEKLY REVIEW >> > titled "The Gujjar >> > protest and reservation politics". It is available >> > at >> > http://www.achrweb.org/Review/2008/217-08.html >> > >> > The ongoing protests by Gujjars in Rajasthan have >> > already claimed at least >> > 38 lives. The showdown is likely to intensify with >> > the Gujjar protestors >> > blocking the National Highway linking Jaipur to >> > Delhi, and the security >> > forces surrounding the protestors. >> > >> > In the last two decades, affirmative actions have >> > been diluted for vote >> > bank politics. The Central government of India must >> > find a holistic >> > solution to the demand for Scheduled Tribe status by >> > several groups and >> > for that matter the government must develop or lay >> > down clear criteria >> > required for being recognized as Scheduled Tribes. >> > There are over 100 >> > groups which have submitted applications to the >> > Ministry of Tribal Affairs >> > for recognition as Scheduled Tribes. If the Centre >> > attempts to find a >> > solution only for the Gujjars, it will open the >> > Pandora box. >> > >> > "ACHR WEEKLY REVIEW" provides detailed, independent >> > and accurate >> > information and analysis on human rights, democracy >> > and governance issues. >> > You are free to publish "ACHR WEEKLY REVIEW" and use >> > a part thereof with >> > due credit to the ACHR WEEKLY REVIEW. >> > >> > If you prefer not to receive "ACHR WEEKLY REVIEW", >> > please write to us at >> > the above email address and we shall be happy to >> > take you off the mailing >> > list. >> > >> > You are also free to forward copies of "ACHR WEEKLY >> > REVIEW" or email us >> > the email address/es of any person/s who may be >> > interested to receive the >> > same. >> > >> > If you would like to receive the "ACHR WEEKLY >> > REVIEW" in text format, >> > please do let us know. >> > >> > With kind regards, >> > >> > Yours sincerely >> > >> > >> > Suhas Chakma >> > Director >> > >> > Encl: As above. >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > Has your work life balance shifted? Find out. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > Check out the all-new face of Yahoo! India. Click > here.<http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_frontpage_2/*http://in.yahoo.com/?wm=n/> > -- Regards Afthab Ellath --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
