:-) Bobby,
I read your blog and was reading it again. *Now with this anecdote, I feel much releived. * ;-) *prasad* ** ** On 7/4/08, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On a lighter vein, > Justice Bhattacharjee (former CJ of Bombay High Court) was teaching us > "ancient Indian Jurisprudenc" - essentially the smritis and mimamsas, and > the guy was showing off his knowledge of sanskrit and ended up conversing in > sanskrit with an LL.M student, who was sitting into his lectures - to the > consternation of the whole class, until one of our classmates got up on the > pretext of asking a doubt and abused in Kannada. When Justice Bhattacharjea > claimed he did not understand a word of this classmate's doubt, he responded > that the class had not understood a word of what had been going on. > > *This post is not up for discussion :)* > > > On 04/07/2008, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 7/3/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>If news, ideas, viewpoints etc are made known to the readers, viewers >>> or listeners through a medium then it can not constitute a public sphere, >>> even when there is a public who gather around that medium however discretely >>> in space and time. >>> >>> >>> It may not be the case if you take an Andersnian position and tries to >>> look at nation as a constituted public sphere. And in the vein of McLuhan, >>> can't utter "Medium is the message and massage".. >>> >>> the wonderful thing about Habermasian public sphere is that it assumes an >>> ideal *space for freedom of expression.* the medium itself need not, but >>> the way it extend human senses does the magic, perhaps >>> >> >> >> Renju,' >> It would also be worth noting that Habermas himself has critiqued the very >> concept of "public sphere" in his work structural tranformation of public >> sphere. In one of the last chapter of this work on "Transformation of Public >> Sphere's Political Function", he is excplicit not only about the limits >> of the term but how the *manipulated public sphere is taken over by an >> acclamation-prone mood that predominates and result is that an opinion >> climate subsumes public opinions. (* Structural Transformation of Public >> Sphere, Polity Press, 1989) >> Habermas also points to the penetration of state and society with each >> other that brings forth a *middle sphere of semipublic*. (P231, ibid) >> The State-aligned NGOs are succesful in establishing such semi public >> spheres were the *urgency to consensus and immediacy to conclude on areas >> which contravene the entreched understanding* whether it be science, >> politics, secularism or any sort of trivia. >> >> Habermas further states that the politically influential representatives >> of cultural and religious forces the entreching of private interests in the >> face of the 'neomercantilism" which leads to *refedualization".* *The >> apparently progressives in society in the wake of a emergent popular radical >> politics retreats to the refedualize the public sphere*. Habermas >> concerns perhaps with the delimits and contravening forces within the >> modernity. But let us also think critically how the self-proclaimed semi >> public spheres are shaped in contexts familiar to us. >> >> *Public Sphere* from the inception of the term like Communism is a *social >> fantasy- and *hence* ahistorica*l. But like the impulsivity of historical >> materialism to locate Communism outside history, Habermas suitably finds a >> locale and period for claiming the historical specificity. Like the several >> 'idealized' *semi public spheres of our times, we find the supposedly >> 'ideal space' as discriminatory*. Habermas and *all those who still >> adores* the fantasy of 'public sphere" never saw or rather failed *to see >> the exclusion of different voices - - woman, dalit, muslim, sexual >> minorities- minoirty voices with a difference*. >> >> >> damodar >> >> >> PS: am also compelled go think of a kerala model public sphere, which >> could be artificially correct but politically wrong. But now; later. >> >> >> >> (let me rethink . this s just a first response. >> >>> >>> >>> > > > -- > Bobby Kunhu > http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
