Kannada commonsense is not to be
idealised either

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 11:06 AM, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> :-)
>
> Bobby,
>
> I read your blog and was reading it again.
>
> *Now with this anecdote, I feel much releived.
> *
> ;-)
>
> *prasad*
>   **
> **
> On 7/4/08, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On a lighter vein,
>> Justice Bhattacharjee (former CJ of Bombay High Court) was teaching us
>> "ancient Indian Jurisprudenc" - essentially the smritis and mimamsas, and
>> the guy was showing off his knowledge of sanskrit and ended up conversing in
>> sanskrit with an LL.M student, who was sitting into his lectures - to the
>> consternation of the whole class, until one of our classmates got up on the
>> pretext of asking a doubt and abused in Kannada. When Justice Bhattacharjea
>> claimed he did not understand a word of this classmate's doubt, he responded
>> that the class had not understood a word of what had been going on.
>>
>> *This post is not up for discussion :)*
>>
>>
>>  On 04/07/2008, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/3/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >>If news, ideas, viewpoints etc are made known to the readers, viewers
>>>> or listeners through a medium then it can not constitute a public sphere,
>>>> even when there is a public who gather around that medium however 
>>>> discretely
>>>> in space and time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It may not be the case if you take an Andersnian position and tries to
>>>> look at nation as a constituted public sphere. And in the vein of McLuhan,
>>>> can't utter "Medium is the message and massage"..
>>>>
>>>> the wonderful thing about Habermasian public sphere is that it assumes
>>>> an ideal *space for freedom of expression.* the medium itself need not,
>>>> but the way it extend human senses does the magic, perhaps
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renju,'
>>> It would also be worth noting that Habermas himself has critiqued the
>>> very concept of "public sphere" in his work structural tranformation of
>>> public sphere. In one of the last chapter of this work on "Transformation of
>>> Public Sphere's Political Function", he is excplicit not only about the
>>> limits of the term but how the *manipulated public sphere is taken over
>>> by  an acclamation-prone mood that predominates and result is that an
>>> opinion climate subsumes public opinions.  (* Structural Transformation
>>> of Public Sphere, Polity Press, 1989)
>>> Habermas also points to the penetration of state and society with each
>>> other that brings forth a *middle sphere of semipublic*. (P231, ibid)
>>>  The State-aligned NGOs are succesful in establishing such semi public
>>> spheres were the *urgency to consensus and immediacy to conclude on
>>> areas which contravene the entreched understanding* whether it be
>>> science, politics, secularism or any sort of trivia.
>>>
>>> Habermas further states that the politically influential representatives
>>> of cultural and religious forces the entreching of private interests in the
>>> face of the 'neomercantilism" which leads to *refedualization".* *The
>>> apparently progressives in society in the wake of a emergent popular radical
>>> politics retreats to the refedualize the public sphere*. Habermas
>>> concerns  perhaps with the delimits and contravening forces within the
>>> modernity. But let us also think critically how the self-proclaimed semi
>>> public spheres are shaped in contexts familiar to us.
>>>
>>> *Public Sphere* from the inception of the term like Communism is a *social
>>> fantasy- and *hence* ahistorica*l. But like the impulsivity of
>>> historical materialism to locate Communism outside history, Habermas
>>> suitably finds a locale and period for claiming the historical specificity.
>>> Like the several 'idealized' *semi public spheres of our times, we find
>>> the supposedly 'ideal space' as discriminatory*. Habermas and *all those
>>> who still adores* the fantasy of 'public sphere" never saw or rather
>>> failed *to see the exclusion of different voices - -  woman, dalit,
>>> muslim, sexual minorities- minoirty voices with a difference*.
>>>
>>>
>>> damodar
>>>
>>>
>>> PS: am also compelled go think of a kerala model public sphere, which
>>> could be artificially correct but politically wrong. But now; later.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (let me rethink . this s just a first response.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>>


-- 
Dileep R I thuravoor

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