and feely :-)

prasad


On 7/4/08, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> *touche*
>
> On 04/07/2008, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Bobby,
>>
>> I read your blog and was reading it again.
>>
>> *Now with this anecdote, I feel much releived.
>> *
>> ;-)
>>
>> *prasad*
>>  **
>> **
>> On 7/4/08, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On a lighter vein,
>>> Justice Bhattacharjee (former CJ of Bombay High Court) was teaching us
>>> "ancient Indian Jurisprudenc" - essentially the smritis and mimamsas, and
>>> the guy was showing off his knowledge of sanskrit and ended up conversing in
>>> sanskrit with an LL.M student, who was sitting into his lectures - to the
>>> consternation of the whole class, until one of our classmates got up on the
>>> pretext of asking a doubt and abused in Kannada. When Justice Bhattacharjea
>>> claimed he did not understand a word of this classmate's doubt, he responded
>>> that the class had not understood a word of what had been going on.
>>>
>>> *This post is not up for discussion :)*
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 04/07/2008, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/3/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >>If news, ideas, viewpoints etc are made known to the readers, viewers
>>>>> or listeners through a medium then it can not constitute a public sphere,
>>>>> even when there is a public who gather around that medium however 
>>>>> discretely
>>>>> in space and time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It may not be the case if you take an Andersnian position and tries to
>>>>> look at nation as a constituted public sphere. And in the vein of McLuhan,
>>>>> can't utter "Medium is the message and massage"..
>>>>>
>>>>> the wonderful thing about Habermasian public sphere is that it assumes
>>>>> an ideal *space for freedom of expression.* the medium itself need
>>>>> not, but the way it extend human senses does the magic, perhaps
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Renju,'
>>>> It would also be worth noting that Habermas himself has critiqued the
>>>> very concept of "public sphere" in his work structural tranformation of
>>>> public sphere. In one of the last chapter of this work on "Transformation 
>>>> of
>>>> Public Sphere's Political Function", he is excplicit not only about the
>>>> limits of the term but how the *manipulated public sphere is taken over
>>>> by  an acclamation-prone mood that predominates and result is that an
>>>> opinion climate subsumes public opinions.  (* Structural Transformation
>>>> of Public Sphere, Polity Press, 1989)
>>>> Habermas also points to the penetration of state and society with each
>>>> other that brings forth a *middle sphere of semipublic*. (P231, ibid)
>>>>  The State-aligned NGOs are succesful in establishing such semi public
>>>> spheres were the *urgency to consensus and immediacy to conclude on
>>>> areas which contravene the entreched understanding* whether it be
>>>> science, politics, secularism or any sort of trivia.
>>>>
>>>> Habermas further states that the politically influential representatives
>>>> of cultural and religious forces the entreching of private interests in the
>>>> face of the 'neomercantilism" which leads to *refedualization".* *The
>>>> apparently progressives in society in the wake of a emergent popular 
>>>> radical
>>>> politics retreats to the refedualize the public sphere*. Habermas
>>>> concerns  perhaps with the delimits and contravening forces within the
>>>> modernity. But let us also think critically how the self-proclaimed semi
>>>> public spheres are shaped in contexts familiar to us.
>>>>
>>>> *Public Sphere* from the inception of the term like Communism is a *social
>>>> fantasy- and *hence* ahistorica*l. But like the impulsivity of
>>>> historical materialism to locate Communism outside history, Habermas
>>>> suitably finds a locale and period for claiming the historical specificity.
>>>> Like the several 'idealized' *semi public spheres of our times, we find
>>>> the supposedly 'ideal space' as discriminatory*. Habermas and *all
>>>> those who still adores* the fantasy of 'public sphere" never saw or
>>>> rather failed *to see the exclusion of different voices - -  woman,
>>>> dalit, muslim, sexual minorities- minoirty voices with a difference*.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> damodar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PS: am also compelled go think of a kerala model public sphere, which
>>>> could be artificially correct but politically wrong. But now; later.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (let me rethink . this s just a first response.
>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bobby Kunhu
>>> http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Bobby Kunhu
> http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/
>

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