On 7/9/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Let me be blunt and brief.
>
> 1. After a detour through the thread, I still don't understand why
> Satchidanandan
> felt that there were prejudices against him. Though the responses from
> Aftab, Ahmed Rafeek
> etal were instantaneous, I didn't feel that it was triggered by prejudice.
> So i hope satchidanandan will rejoin the discussion soon.( otherwise I feel
> it is prejudice on his part)
>
> 2. On quoting Murali, ya, a critical engagement, not fanfollowing will be
> fitting tribute to Murali. But wasn't it Damodar who forwarded 'personal
> notes' on him to this group while I brought some of his ideas into a thread?
> To be frank, I am a fan of Murali. No, I don't think in
> "updating" theories or thinkers. Writers like Banjamine, heidegger and
> Nietzsche still inspires me like Murali. *Thinking cannot be replaced
> with history of thinking.\*
>
*Shall I order for a repeat? ---- single or twice*
> and in a Heideggerian vein.. The most thought provoking thing of our times
> is that we are still not thinking
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 3:55 PM, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> After reading the thread of this discussion, I found the points raised by
>> Satchi mash was sunk by a parochialistic understading of religion in public
>> space.
>>
>>
>> There is a piont that secular public space simplifies (as opposite to
>> amplification) the multi-religious, ethnic voices particularly in the
>> context of fascistic homogenization by a majoritarian community.
>>
>> (Though no one so specifically addressed this issue, in stead of this,
>> images of factories and sirens were brought in)
>>
>>
>> Secondly, Sudeep has clearly identified the location in his first posting,
>> i.e, Valanchery and it's a mail highlighting a personal issue. Now, Rafeek
>> Ahmed in his response puts upfront the issue of "factory sound" as if
>> 'factory" represents secular modernity.
>>
>>
>> Rafeek, no one is going to entertain the terrible noises from factory, as
>> wonderful music as perhaps something similar to Dasan and Vijayan enjoying
>> *pasuvinte Karachl in Nadodi kattu..*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> One of the new social movements that got much prominence in the 90s was
>> the Chaliyar Movement for which 'pollution' was/is the central concern. May
>> be two are distinct issues. My only point is that the sort of 'secular'
>> pollutions were already taken to task by the civil society movements. Hence
>> please do understand that the secular is not much revered in these times and
>> perhaps not understood in such a simplistic manner.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thirdly, it was Sanjeev's mail which did *disjoint* later responses from
>> the first two, namely, Sudeep's and Satchi mash. But the mail was more *
>> instructive* on things left unsaid on the simple reason that he referred
>> to a doctoral work, but did not elaborate. I tried accessing the text from
>> CSCS archives but in vain. (Since this mail I did not see any response from
>> Sanjeev either trying to elaborate or to reflect).
>>
>>
>>
>> Since this thread began as a personal response, let me also reflect on my
>> experience. In Trivandrum, for every temple festival (and for that matter
>> every nook and corner you have a temple, small, medium or large) loud
>> speakers are fixed to all the pillar and posts on the street and which will
>> growl through out the day and all the *Bhakthi ganams and cinema ganams
>> are forced onto you penetrating your ear drums. *This will last for more
>> than 7 days.
>>
>>
>>
>> {A sample ganam , which is dialogic in nature some of you might have been
>> forced to listen, soory hear!!: "acha, acha (son asks his dad), attukal
>> kovil evideyanu"… dad replies.. "mone, mone.. kizhkekootayil ninnu mimnimu
>> charge autovil..".. }
>>
>>
>> This 'song' has become a unique thing for all temple festivals and now the
>> same has spread all over the state. This high decibel sound is imposed on
>> you and it break into your private interiors. This is 20x7 exercises (They
>> switch on at 5am and off at 10.30pm). What is this?
>>
>> If there is a small temple on the street, the entire road is blocked till
>> the festivities are over. This may not be something peculiar to Trivnadrum.
>> Now all these festivals are actually taken over by the Hindu Aikya Vedi.
>> This amplification of sound particular to such temple festivals is a
>> methodical way the religious goons terrifies the publics and it is an
>> obstruction both to the worshipper and as well as the god. The god has
>> actually gone deaf listening (hear) to these sound electricals.
>>
>>
>>
>> (All of you who know me personally also know that I am believer and you
>> cant even pray with these loud speakers yelling like anything)
>>
>>
>>
>> Now someone would counter this by saying party conferences do the same
>> thing. Perhaps, it is true. Does the practice of Stalinism justify the
>> practice of fascism?
>>
>>
>>
>> However, these practices are recent. Of course, technology has aided this.
>> let us not the blame on technology alone. (Technology had aided several
>> revolutions. If it was the cassette for Islamic Revolution in Iran and it
>> was the Internet for the Zaptista movements).
>>
>>
>>
>> The basic is that sound cannot travel in vaccum and the matter that
>> supports sound is medium. In the public space, this matter has cultural
>> significance. The medium is related to space. Hence the high claims about
>> public space are to be re-looked. It is now a homogenized space from where
>> diverse noises are vacated and seemingly a monotonous sound has occupied. It
>> may differ from place to place. In public spaces, a non-believer also need a
>> place to sit and contemplate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now some one may perhaps find a reason to celebrate cacophony. But
>> cacophony only enables submerge minority and distinct voices. A parochialist
>> understanding reduces the multi-valence of religions to enable each other
>> faiths in search of meanings as defined and as reformed within the tradition
>> without imposing one on another either through visual or sound facilitated
>> by technology.
>>
>>
>>
>> I found Satchi Mash was enabling a different pursuit of understanding,
>> which was submerged in the amplification of an altogether different
>> concerns.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dileep's quote from Dr.Muralidaran, no need to add that it is
>> insightful. But Dileep is for the second time quoting Dr. Murali. He must be
>> implying (in this mail he has clearly indicated) that the discussion here is
>> perhaps time lapsed and we are still depending on convenient but neat
>> distinctions on modernity and tradition.
>>
>>
>>
>> Agreed, but you may also understand our task is not to quote Dr.Muarli and
>> make others see how 'forward' am I, but to move ahead, if at all, from where
>> Dr.Murali has left.
>>
>>
>>
>> For example, here TV is the latest technololgy Dr.Murali refers to. We are
>> in a time where Devasoms design online site for poojas and all. The
>> foreclosing of distances in online religiosity is also the outcome of the
>> new religious tourism. The absolutely local deities have actually come up
>> with the new times than the prestigious old *moorthis*. ( I remember a
>> story by Nandakumar). Once the local deities were appropriated to Hindu
>> pantheon, but the locals are resisting it. Because *the local* is much
>> more charming then the national. Nativism is refashioned by the tourism
>> industry generating new advantages and new dollar flows.
>>
>> * *
>>
>> Finally, I believe many of you have read KGS poem: Prarthikumabol Igane. (
>> New Age Praying) (I will try put an English translation within few days.
>> I've asked KGS for the same.)
>>
>>
>>
>> *(I can anticipate popular studies' gaze at me for 'quoting' both Satchi
>> Mash and KGS. Though unprepared, but I'm sure to return the gaze!!) *
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/7/08, subid k s <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have empathy with Autorikshaw drivers who are forced to fit(extra
>>> fittings) to adjust in between Fast passenger buses and all. (Pizhachchu
>>> pOvaan) but not the case when they make it a habit and pedestrians suffer.
>>> If one doesn't react, all will become deaf. And impotent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> Dileep R I thuravoor
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