If we do that, we should secure it with the router certificate
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8209
Then the URL should be secured with DNSSec, or why don't we just put the
IP address in place of the hostname portion of the URL?

Regards,
Jakob.

From: GROW <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Gyan Mishra
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 6:37 PM
To: Rayhaan Jaufeerally (IETF) <[email protected]>
Cc: idr@ietf. org <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GROW] BGP Looking Glass Capability


+1 on the new AFI idea.  I would support developing the new draft.

Out of al the ideas proposed I think the new AFI seems to be the best method of 
achieving the BGP looking glass capability and propagation of routes.

Thanks

Gyan

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 7:25 PM Rayhaan Jaufeerally (IETF) 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thanks for the history Robert, I should have read the authors list more closely 
on that draft :)

From that description it seems that it was more circumstances at the time 
rather than push back on the implementation itself which is good news for 
trying to revive it,

I'll try and rework the draft to use the operational message and see which 
common parts are useful here, then reply to the list / IDR with the updated 
draft,

Cheers,
Rayhaan

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 12:48 AM Robert Raszuk 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Rayhaan,

I guess a good starting point would be to reach out to IDR folks / authors of 
the operational message draft and get their input as to why it didn't progress 
further since that would be useful to guide any revival attempts.

Good idea. As I am co-author of this draft taking the liberty to do it right 
here :)

A bit of history  - in min 2010 I wrote 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-raszuk-bgp-diagnostic-message-00.

Then we spoke about it, trimmed a bit and formed what we considered most 
important operationally into 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-operational-message-00

The draft was having good support during the IDR WG adoption and hence it 
became WG doc.

Since then most of the authors left the vendor world and our influence to 
implement it in significant commercial BGP code bases was no longer sufficient. 
Yet vendors told we will implement it if customers ask for it. So we are 9+ 
years and still I am not sure if anyone cares much about switching phone and 
email channels between NOCs into more programmatic way.

Yet we do see from time to time a pop request to some form to tell peer ascii 
strings like sms by BGP, pass some well known address, etc ...

I think this is the fundamental challenge in how we operate peering relations. 
I have seen a lot of good automation happening in the IX world, but when trying 
to establish BGP sessions today it seems still emails, xls, word documents 
style ...

While it does not need to be all TLVs as listed in the 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-operational-message-00 draft but I 
think operational message is indeed needed.

Cheers,
R.

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