On Aug 28, 2009, at 21:28:17, Dickster wrote:
> On Aug 28, 1:31 pm, Peter Hosey <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Aug 28, 2009, at 08:50:15, Dickster wrote:
>>> 1. Every time I start (or restart) my computer, my Trash has a
>>> Recovered Files folder in it with file names ending in  
>>> "growlRegDict".
>>
>> What applications are they from?
>
> How would I know?

Each one has its application of origin in its filename. Another way to  
find out would be to open it in a text editor, such as TextEdit.

>>> 2.  In the System Preferences, I have the box checked that says to
>>> "Show Growl icon in menu bar", but it doesn't show up until I click
>>> on "Grown" in the System Preferences window. …
>>
>> Sounds like GrowlMenu is missing from your Login Items. …
>
> I don't have any Login Startup Items about Growl or GrowlMenu.

That's what I said.

> Why should I?

GrowlMenu is the app that puts the icon in your menu bar, so if you  
want that icon to appear in your menu bar when you log in, you need it  
in your log-in items.

The same is true of Growl itself. If you want the app that processes  
notifications (GrowlHelperApp) to run at log-in, so that you can have  
Growl notifications from the moment you log in, you need  
GrowlHelperApp in your log-in items.

The controls to do this with GrowlMenu and GrowlHelperApp are the  
“Start Growl at login” and “Show Growl icon in the menu bar”  
checkboxes in the Growl preference pane.

You mentioned that you have the latter checkbox checked but GrowlMenu  
still doesn't start at log-in. It should add itself to the log-in  
items on launch. Unchecking the box and re-checking it will quit and  
re-launch GrowlMenu.

>>> 3.  If I stop Growl, leave the System Preferences, and come back, it
>>> is still stopped, but the icon appears on the menu bar all through
>>> that sequence.
>>
>> GrowlMenu is separate from the process that actually handles Growl
>> notifications. Turning one off doesn't affect the other.
>>
> Why wasn't GrowlMenu installed for me?

It was. GrowlMenu and GrowlHelperApp are both inside the Growl prefpane.

> What's the point of the "Start Growl at login" check-box?

It sets Growl to start at log-in (by putting GrowlHelperApp into your  
Login Items).

>>> 4. When I start (or restart) my computer, apparently Growl is
>>> started, even though I did NOT select "Start Growl at login", and I
>>> don't see the Growl icon on the menu bar.
>>
>> What leads you to conclude that Growl is started?
>
> When I open System Preferences, and click on "Growl", …

OK, that's not “when [you] start (or restart) [your] computer”.

> … three things happen:
> 1.  Growl's icon appear on the munu-bar.
> 2.  System Preferences says "Growl is running"  (but I didn't start
> it. and don't have "Start Growl at login").

Those two things happen when you open the Growl preference pane  
because you have them set to happen (GrowlMenu turned on, Growl turned  
on) but not to happen at log-in.

Growl is on by default when you install it, but if it's not in your  
log-in items, it doesn't open at log-in. When you open the Growl  
prefpane, it checks whether you have Growl turned on and whether it's  
running; if the answers are yes and no, respectively, then it starts  
Growl, on the theory that it had crashed or something. The same goes  
for GrowlMenu.

The problem is one of two things:

1. You want GrowlHelperApp to run at log-in so that it can display  
notifications, and you want GrowlMenu to run at log-in so that it can  
display Growl's status and provide ready access to control it, but you  
do not have these two applications in your log-in items. The controls  
in the prefpane let you do this.
2. You don't want Growl at all, and yet you installed it. In this  
case, the solution is simply to remove it.

> 3.  Another instance of the "...growlRegDict" file is created  
> somewhere I can find.  I know that because the file appears in  
> Recovered Files in the Trash when I restart, with the date-time  
> stamp of when I opened System Preferences -> Growl.  So I would  
> suspect those files are created by Growl itself.

They are created by the Growl frameworks being used by the  
applications whose names the .growlRegDict files bear.


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