Bob, I have to disagree with you on that statement about headlight buckets
and number plates, but his earlier statement about headlight buckets was
taken out of context.  Of course, if the number plate was metal, then that
would be a great signal reflector.

 I read two magazine articles, one from Car and Driver, the other I think
was Road and Track, that were done quite well, with well thought out tests
and controls.  The main point of the headlight bucket (the test subject was
a dual-headlight Suzuki GSXR1100) was that without the bucket, detection
range was only about 300-500 feet, but once the bucket was added, detection
range increased to about 3000-4000 feet.  The parabolic shapes of the two
lights reflected a radar guns signal quite strongly.  Car and Driver seems
to revisit this subject every 3-5 years, and I remember similar tests back
to the late 70's.  Now, these detection ranges dont make a lot of difference
on the race track, but on the street they are a big deal.

 So the point was not that it was undetectable, but that detection range is
greatly dependent on the frontal shape and signal reflection capabilities.
The authors also go on to point out how the big trucks can be seen out to
about 1.25 miles in flat territory by even cheap radar guns, how Honda
Civics are pretty stealthy due to their small size, and how certain cars are
naturally stealthy and why:  In speaking with a GM engineer that worked on
the C4 Corvette (1984-1997?), it was noted that the radiator was angled
upwards about 15-20 degrees to deflect signals, and how it was found to be
better than angled downwards, and the frontal shape of the engine was
changed slightly (timing cover, accessory pumps) to work in conjunction with
the radiator to further deflect signals upwards, rather than forward through
the air spaces in the radiator.  All this substantially reduced the
detectable range by about 40% if my memory serves me correctly.

  There was a great sales rational to the design work on the 'Vette: they
draw additional attention from cops (as do all high-performance cars), the
owners get a lot of tickets, which in turn causes insurance rates to go up.
Making the cars more stealthy would have a long-term affect of either
reducing rates, or slowing the rate of increase.  If insurance rates are
more reasonable, then they can sell more cars.

  My friend the Chevy mechanic recently bought a 2001 Camaro Z-28, and its
radiator is also angled upwards, as is the metal radiator supports.


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Having radar'd race bikes that only have number plates up front, the
headlight reflector theory is inaccurate.
RSRBOB

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