Volker: Hey! Thanks for the response! I'm pretty much in agreement, but within a G:Space framework, how does one reflect the differences in technological aims, as you call it? FrEx, looking at airliner engines vs. jet fighter engines. I can tell the difference, but how can that be represented in two starships using GURPS-like build rules?
Would you make a provision-- at a specific TL, an M-Drive can sacrifice thrust in exchange for decreased cost and/or improved reliability? And/or increases in thrust/unit M-Drive can be had at a given TL (up to 50%) for decreases in reliability, increases in cost? -vk -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Volker Bach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I don't think that works. A societal TL reflects what that society is capable > of, not necessarily what is general practice. Thus, a society that has > reached TL8 on its own would be TL8 no matter whether it actually used TL7 > engines in private cars or TL5 tin openers in its kitchens. > > In any society where the government has significant control of technology, > its > agents will be equipped with cutting edge tech. Imagine, on the other hand, a > Cyberpunk setting where the corporations give *their* agents the best gear. > Would you advocate a corporate/general TL split? I wouldn't. > > Now, if for some reason the military, and only the military, had access to a > technology that was not just the most advanced, but based on breakthroughs > the rest of society is unaware of, you could justify a split TL. But unless > those UFOs at Area 51 and the HAARP orbital mind control rays are real, we > don't qualify IMO. The latest U-Boat design uses better fuel cells than the > local bus, but it's fuel cells. An F-22 uses jet engines that pack more power > into smaller space than an A 380, but they're jet engines. And I'm not at all > sold on the idea that the latest offerings of Boeing and Airbus are less > advanced than the latest warplanes. They just aim for different > specifications. > > What I would do is allow for differences within a TL. Things can be built for > low price, ease of maintenance, ruggedness, energy efficiency, power, > compactness, emission standards, or a combination thereof, and that will be > reflected in the price and weight/size. I don't think anyone still builds TL6 > or even early TL7 engines, anywhere. > > Volker > > > Am Sonntag, 14. Mai 2006 19:16 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > Hello all: > > > > Has anyone looked at TLs in society from a military vs. civilian setting? > > Or do we feel this is already built-in by available equipment? > > > > For example, is the relative technology the same for the Boeing 787 as it > > is for the F-22 Raptor? Comparing the same parts, of course. Engines, > > airframe, materials. Or is it more reasonable in creating a new society to > > say that Military likely has access to more advanced technology in certain > > areas? Certainly weapons/armor are available to civilians-- but it's rare, > > and illegal. > > > > I'm especially looking at an advanced sci-fi society relative to (of > > course) starships. Is the Navy Destroyer really going to have the same > > M-Drive technology that the Luxury Liner is? Or is the Liner likely to use > > the cheaper version from the TL-1? In our society, one could argue that > > M-Drive 'technology' is the same, but one is for fuel economy and > > reliability and the other is for sheer thrust to weight and high > > performance. If there is going to be disparity, in what areas do you guys > > think it will be? How else can one address the differences one sees in RL > > examples of similar technology application? > > > > I guess I wasn't thrilled with the Interstellar Wars treatment on this > > subject. I liked the 'Van Rijn' design concept from Space 3e better. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > -vk > > > > -- > > "We are not permitted to choose > > the frame of our destiny, but what > > we put into it is ours." --Dag > > Hammersjold > > > > "When the rate of change outside > > an organization exceeds the rate > > of change inside it, then it is > > not a matter of if, but when that > > organization will fail." --Jack > > Welch > > > > "Just keep swimming/just keep > > swimming/just keep swimming > > swimming swimming..." --Dorie from > > Finding Nemo > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Jay P. Hailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Did anyone save a copy? I cannot find it anywhere. > > > > > > Jay ~Meow!~ > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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