On Oct 8, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Eric Funk wrote:

...for a Regular type spell, I don't
think you can have have your spell go off *and* attack in the same
round.  Am I wrong about that?

incorrect. yes, I'm afraid that you are mistaken.

Regular are the most common, with effects activating /immedately/ after casting is complete. (see "Casting Spells" paragraph 4 p. B235) This also applies to Area, Information, and Enchantment spells.

B235 "Casting Spells" first paragraph: "...take the Concentrate maneuvers for the requisite number or turns.... At the end of the last second of concentration, make a success roll for the spell.... Its effects take place immediately."

From this I read that if I want to cast a Regular spell that takes 1 second to cast, then my action for that combat round is to take the Concentrate maneuver. I can not take a Concentrate maneuver *and* a Step and Attack maneuver in the same round can I?

A Melee or Missile spell is special in that its effect is created in hand, possibly enlarged, and then released at an unspecified subsequent turn.

Exactly. First one or more Concentrate maneuvers for the Melee or Missile spell. Then, on the next or later rounds, you make a separate attack roll, and if successful, the spell energy hits its mark (and adds its damage to whatever damage the attack itself does).

I think I see my confusion. Neither Regular nor Melee type spells allow you to Concentrate and Step & Attack in the same round. When I originally asked "can have have your spell go off *and* attack in the same round", I meant "attack" to mean an actual melee attack maneuver-- not simply the attack-like nature of the spell going off.

In my case, I have a druid with the Dehydrate spell. It's a Regular spell, so I can't cast it and store it so that it's goes off during the next round when I strike somebody. I.e. I can't get the damage for the Dehydrate spell and punch damage in the same round.

But this brings me back to my first question. If I want to touch someone as my Dehydrate spell goes off, and they don't want to be touched, how does that work? Since my action that round was to Concentrate, do they automatically resist my attempt to touch them since I can't make a melee attack that same round?
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