On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Zan Lynx <[email protected]> wrote: > David Scheidt wrote: >> >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Zan Lynx <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> I am thinking that a computer which rewrites its own programs based on >>> experience or predictions of opponents future actions is no longer just >>> running a program; at that point it is at least an LAI (in my opinion). >>> And >>> that is a whole new thing than a Skill 17 piloting program. >> >> It's state of the art AI. For 1975. Pretty routine today, used in >> all sorts of stuff. > > Obviously you aren't thinking what I am thinking. I have personal > experience with some AI code and I have read about a lot more, and I know > what the public state of the art generally is in 2008.
Robot real world or only the game code you talked about? Game code is meant to challenge and not to win. You and I both know that if the computer code did not have to wait for humans all the time it would win every twitch based game and as chess and go show they win most thought games as well. > Admittedly, the theories don't seem a whole lot better than 1975, there is > just more computer power and storage available now. Not true. Do some research about what is going on in go AI also robotics AI. > So computers have been rewriting their own rules since 1975. Sure. But not > the rules for writing those rules, or the rules for the rules for the rules, > etc. > > Humans can even decide not to play the game. > -- > Zan Lynx I will easily give you that CURRENT humans are much better general problem solvers and more flexible but in any task give task, that I know of, computer programs can be made that are better than most people and sometime better that all people; chess being a good example. Computers can still not beat the best go players but they are starting to on small games this year, 4 years ago they could not beat medium to new players. The change was not in computer power but in programming technique. Computers are far faster than humans at almost any math or logic. They have much better memories. They really are very flexible as far as environments and being able to be reprogrammed for new tasks. When combined with robots they can move much much faster than we can. The really true limit for robots at this time is a power source and even better software and hardware. I fear we will all live to see robots and computers surpass humans at most tasks. I think we are the last generation that can believe that we are better than the machines on average. I am sure there will be experts for a long time to come that are better than machines but even their time is short. The average Joe is soon to be dust or perhaps cheep labor. I just read an article saying that by 2050 they will have a robot soccer team that can beat the best pro team. Bold prediction but by the scientists that make soccer robots, so they should have a good idea perhaps as with AI they are to optimistic but you saw that helo right? -- Douglas E Knapp Why do we live? _______________________________________________ GurpsNet-L mailing list <[email protected]> http://mail.sjgames.com/mailman/listinfo/gurpsnet-l
