On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 08:28:46PM +0000, Roger Bell_West wrote:
>On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 08:00:02PM +0100, Onno Meyer wrote:
>>The problem is that they don't really look like ducted fans. 
>>How fast has the air to go through those little nozzles?
>
>Each square metre of nozzle/rotor/etc. exhausting air at jet engine
>speed can provide about 10kN of thrust*. A full-up Apache at 10,433kg
>(MTOW) would need 10.4m^2 of exhaust area to get off the ground. (Its
>actual rotor has an area of 168m^2, so it actually needs to throw air
>downwards at only 22m/s.) What's the MTOW of the vehicle?
>
>* thrust/area = airdensity * speed^2
>  modern jet engine exhaust speed = ~200mph
>  standard air density = 1.225kg/m^3

Higher-spec jet engines can run at higher speeds: a PW306A can exhaust
at 613knots, which makes the total required area about 0.84m^2. Of
course, the last thing you want to do is point that at the ground,
because the ground will get blasted loose and sucked into your jet
intakes.
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