Well stated Sam. Perhaps due to my wordin, or perhaps do to the sometimes
ambiguous nature of email, my messages have often received an alternative
spin that I never imagined. So I'll just add my endorsement to Sam's words
and post where I think I can help somebody out.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Sam bushman
To: Michael D. Lawler
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Questions and thoughts about the direction of Window Eyes
Hi Michael,
No problem, I have been wrong before and am willing to admit it now!
I stand corrected!
I am glad to hear that the number one item requested for 7.0 is what you
guys made happen.
I would be interested to see what was next in the request line for 7.0 ...
not a single item but, generally about what features.
Can you Please tell us the items most requested / suggested for the next
release?
Just the top few will be fine.
Next are you guys interested in a list from the email list?
I know you monitor but, if we keep track of it and send it in to you guys
from time to time is that helpful?
I realize you guys can't tell us all that you are doing, and I also
respect that timing is hard to predict.
But, can you give us a general idea of timing and in general what are we
likely to see in the future?
For example when will we expect to see the next beta ... March October?
Just a loose idea is great.
Even microsoft gives way in advance a loose time frame about what is
coming.
For example ... I have heard that gw was working on java for over 6
years and I haven't seen any thing until now and a volunteer scripter is
making it happen.
I realize that you all added scripting making it possible and that's
great.
But, when I heard about possible java support a long time ago I was
expecting it for several releases and heard nothing.
Maybe that's why we are all so uptight about this is because we have no
idea if browse mode will be in 2014!
I know I am being extreem but, it's to draw a point.
We don't mean to complain but, we are truly worried about the future of
access.
I think most of us don't mean to be so difficult but, when jobs are on
the line and our main interface to the world is in question ... well, we
just get much more testy than we should.
Thanks for your patience with us and we hope to provide positive
feedback and hope to provide input of value.
Thanks so much for listening.
Sam Bushman
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D. Lawler
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Questions and thoughts about the direction of Window Eyes
Sam you state that scripting isn't something that people were begging
for. With all due respect you are simply wrong on this. The gw-info list
represents a small percentage of our customers and we use input from all
customers not just members of this list to guide development. Scripting was
by far the number one request we received before the release of 7.0.
At 01:08 PM 12/8/2008, you wrote:
Hi Cory,
I agree with what you say below.
I agree that scripting is powerful.
I agree that it's nice to have.
I just mean in relationship to some of the other things that we have
been talking about.
The 4 main things speech loss recovery, japa, fixed browse mode and
support for 64Bit OS.
I think your point is valid and hopefully you are right.
But, let's stick to the things people have been begging for ... and
scripting was not one of them.
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: Cory Samaha
To: 'Sam bushman' ; [email protected]
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: Questions and thoughts about the direction of Window
Eyes
Hi,
Just wanted to make a point that I didn't see brought up yet. You
say you have no use for scripting, but then you say you want java support.
The thing is, you really do want scripting, you just don't know it yet
smile. With the power of scripting a 3rd party can write java support and
even perhaps collaborate with GW Micro so that the Java support is one day
incorporated as a script that comes with a future version of Window-Eyes. I
don't think some people realize the power of scripting. It is so much more
than what some people realize.
By the way while I'm writing, put my vote in for a 64-bit version of
Window-Eyes as well.
Cory
From: Sam bushman [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Questions and thoughts about the direction of Window Eyes
Hi all,
It seems to me that there have been several people on this list that
have had problems with the latest version of WE.
I have been one of them at times.
Others seem to have the product work perfectly out of the box and
haven't experienced any of the troubles that others have.
I know GW is doing there very best to duplicate and resolve any
issues that arise.
I do think 7.01 is much more stable and responsive than 7.0 was and
that is a good thing.
I also agree that if you turn scripting off ... the software becomes
much more stable on some machines as well.
I realize that each machine is different ... has different software
installed etc and that truly has a huge affect on how WE works because there
are so many variables involved.
Some have turned to attacking the GW staff and others have
completely been unwilling to even install / use 7.x.
Still others seem to be doing great with out problems to speak of.
Last there are most of us who live with the short comings of the
software and do our best in spite of it all.
No matter what camp you are in ... I believe that it would be good
to set aside our differences and see if we could all come together and work
towards solutions.
Several have mentioned that we need a tiny speech program to run
when WE loses speech.
That is what I have pushed for with out any real response.
I know that GW has not been willing in the past to discuss features
that will be included in the next versions of WE.
To some degree I understand this because it's hard to know in
advance what issues may crop up etc.
However, I do believe that a general priority list may be helpful.
For example we have been told that after 7.0 they will rewrite
browse mode.
But, we have no idea when ... 7.5 9.0 11.6 etc?
We do know it's coming but, that's all we know.
We have no idea how many changes / features are before this one.
I would like to ask GW Micro on this list if they will provide a
general idea of what they are working on and in general in what order and a
loose general time frame for completion.
I bought an SMA just before the release of 7.0 to decrease costs and
to make sure I received a CD for each release.
But, none of the features I really need appeared in 7.x.
I got a cd for 7.0 but, now that 7.01 is out I don't even have a cd
for the latest install.
So, to make things clear ... I am not even sure what I am doing
running 7.01.
In general we got the following in 7.x.
1. Scripting.
2. Some bugs fixed but, I am not sure we should be paying for bug
fixes.
3. Itunes support.
I don't need any of the above.
Now the things I really need and things I was hoping for in 7.x (I
really hope for in the next release but, have no idea if we will get).
These are in no particular order.
1. Losing speech kept to a minumim.
This problem has become worse not better over time.
2. Stable fixed browse mode.
Needs to let me switch back and forth between programs that use it
with out problems.
3. JAVA Support.
4. Support for 64Bit OS.
We are truly at a disadvantage when we go computer shopping with out
it.
Is there any way to develop a list of items of most importance?
Is there any way to have the list members help GW understand our
wants and needs as the software moves forward with further development?
Setting aside our own personal needs can we as a group agree on what
things should be at the top of the list?
Is there any way for the GW staff to give us some idea of what
criteria they use in deciding on what the next feature set will be?
Is some one on the GW staff willing to create this list with all of
our input?
Please only write messages to the list regarding this message if you
are interested in adding something to the discussion.
If you are just going to tell me ... we already have this and we
don't need that ... I frankly don't want to hear it.
If you are going to try to protect GW don't waste your time, I am
not attacking them.
I am trying to see if we as a group can productively focus on things
we need the most in our access solution.
Thanks so much.
Sam Bushman
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