Erik,

Not to rain on your parade, but I use an Acer Aspire One as my primary machine these days, and do not feel deprived. I do use Eloquence cranked to a very high speed, as well as digital speech. I have a plathora of scripts running, and often have 8 or 10 windows open simultaneously. With all this going, the machine is not luggy. I would not use it for massive OCR tasks, and other things that require serious horse power. I know others who have this machine in addition to their 3 gigahertz dual core..., and while they use it for different tasks, they as well do not find it luggy with a screen reader.

-Len

erik burggraaf wrote:
Ideally, the more resources you have to work with, the better, how-so-ever...

I ran window-eyes with dektalk speech more ore less happily on a toshiba tecra 650 mhz machine with 128 mb ram and 20 gb 4200 rpm hard drive. I won't say it was totally comfortable, but it was definitely workable considdering that I had nothing else.

Window-eyes 7 with dektalk speech should run comfortably on a netbook as long as you don't stack scripts on it in droves, or try forcing it to eloquence or digital speech. Speech recognition would be too much on top of window-eyes. That's where the portability vs functionality takes a serious hit.

The question is, what do you want to do? If you want to check your email and browse the web on a bus or in the car, or if you want to use one of these computer based gps systems, or if you want a quick and cheep notetaking machine, then netbooks are for you. Well-built netbooks get up to 8 hours battery life. They're much lighter to cary than laptops. They're cheep, so if you really need this functionality, you can probably justify the expense of a good quality laptop or desktop system for home use, and a netbook for the road. They are usefull as all get out for what they are, but I wouldn't sell one as a desktop replacement for sure.

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On 27-Jan-09, at 10:03 AM, Chip Orange wrote:

Raul,

It helps some, but I thought they were say half the price of a laptop?
If that's the case, the one article I had read said they achieved this
price cut by giving you components that were slower, hotter, and a
screen that was smaller, dimmer, and lower resolution.

They implied, in the review article that did some testing, that slowness
(of everything; bus speed, hard drive, and processor/memory, and a
processor without L2 cache), made for an experience where say, loading
MS Word was grindingly slow, but use of the web, where the server at the
other end, and the speed of your internet connection were your
bottlenecks, would seem only slightly slower.

So, I'm looking for what even defines a "netbook", since the article
said it was a slower, but cheaper, notebook computer.

BTW, I talked to someone on the sales staff of GW, and he said the Oqo,
what you might call a netbook, although an expensive one, was still too
slow to run window eyes with synthetic speech, and a processor intensive
application like speech recognition.  In his opinion, you needed a full
high end laptop to run it all, and that's been my experience with a high
end Dell laptop with a 2.2 ghz processor, loads of RAM and L2 cache,
that it bearly keeps up with the demand placed on it by window eyes and
synthetic speech (and windows).  I've seen times when response time
isn't what you would call acceptible, and when I've removed window eyes
and synthetic speech and had a sighted person try the same things, it's
been ok.  This is why I respected his analysis that a screen reader and
synthetic speech can place quite a load on a system themselves.

thanks.

Chip






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-----Original Message-----
From: Raul A. Gallegos [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 4:31 PM
To: GW Info Discussion List
Subject: Re: W.E. and Netbook PC's

Chip. This is not my experience at all, and I have reviewed 4
different
netbooks. All in all, they all for the most part have;

* Atom 1.6 ghz processor
* 1 gb of ram
* 120 or 160 gb of hard drive space
* 3 or 6 cell battery
* built-in wireless
* onboard lan
* onboard camera
* Windows xp-home

Some have the added bluetooth support, a modem, and/or a few other
extras. In any case, since the hardware is about the same,
what it comes
down to is how you feel about its keyboard, its management of the
battery, its shape, size, and feel. While opening Word, Excel, or
Powerpoint, they work fine. While using Internet Explorer and/or
Firefox, they work fine. Not as fast and screeming as a
desktop pc with
far more power, but not as bad as one might think.

Hope this helps.

Chip Orange wrote the following on 1/26/2009 2:56 PM:
Hi Steve,

If you're doing it because of the cost, then you may want
to know that
system access is offering a "netbook" version of their
screen reader for
$150.  I don't know what's cut out to restrict it to netbooks.

Well, my impression of these devices is that their
processing capability
is very limited and slow; if you're using it for synthetic
speech, and
running a screen reader, and trying to do something like
run internet
explorer or ms word, I'd guess you'd better have some real patience.
I'm not an owner of one, but they have to get the cost down
somehow, and
I thought processor speed was one of the ways.

My preference, if money is not the only issue, would be to find the
screen size and resolution that's the cheapest for a given
line of high
performing laptops.  That's usually been the 14 inch ones
lately, but it
could be the 12 inch ones by now.

Then you shouldn't have any worries in adding a full-fledged screen
reader like window eyes, with synthetic speech.

Chip






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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve "The Jazz Man" Bauer [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:56 PM
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Subject: W.E. and Netbook PC's

I'm looking at possibly purchasing one of these new small Netbook
computers.

Samsung MC10 appears to be top on my list at this point.

Does W.E. run successfully on these small units?

Thanks.

Steve

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