Yes! The one I'm thinking of was a 9 pounder, meant as a desktop replacement. I guess you could mail-order a large enough bag, but what about ordering a new shoulder socket? ;)
I know the strong desire, especially amongst less experienced computer users, for the numeric pad. However, even though someone mentioned a few more (the Asus and Acer I think), it's unlikely you'll get to examine them first, so I think a full keyboard is out of reasonable consideration when buying a laptop. I think the jaws way of handling a laptop keyboard is so much better, so all I can do is try to convince GW that many more units being sold today are laptops, and so they need to put some effort into supporting capslock as a modifier, instead of their current scheme. It's not only that jaws allows capslock; it's that they don't use 3 key combinations, and then tell you if you can't hit insert (or don't have a numeric pad) then use the fn key of your laptop making a total of 4 keys at once to be pressed! :( This is slow and awkward when you can do it at all). So, I've just argued against a full keyboard, and using either the window eyes desktop layout (or it's laptop layout either; those arguments are in previous messages, but I find the laptop layout even worse than the desktop layout with the fn key). So, the only answer I see is either an external keypad if window eyes is your screen reader, or convince GW to rewrite this part of window eyes to better accomodate laptops. If you do go for the external numeric pad, try and find one that clips to the laptop, or otherwise is suported by it; otherwise, you really can't use it from your lap. I did have a thinkpad that allowed the external numeric pad to "pop out" of the right side of the laptop, but they don't make them any longer. I'm hoping someone has figured out a solution to the numeric pads for laptops, and has a way to have it supported by the laptop. If I have time I'll go searching. Chip ------------------------------ Chip Orange Database Administrator Florida Public Service Commission [email protected] (850) 413-6314 (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.) > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Lanier [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:49 PM > To: Chip Orange; [email protected] > Subject: RE: regarding laptop recommendations with full sized > keyboards > > Chip, > > One consideration we forgot to mention is the weight. The HP > Pavilian was a > real arm breaker to carry <G>> Other than that, the battery > life was a > little less. The other problem I had was finding a sholder > bag to fit the > wider unit. > > Regards.. Joe Lanier > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 12:45 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: regarding laptop recommendations with full sized > keyboards > > That's great, and thanks for mentioning them. > > My other concern, is that the time I saw a full keyboard on a > laptop, it had > a high res 17 or larger screen, and was very expensive, and > used a great > deal of battery, because of the screen. It was the size of > the screen, I > think, which allowed them to fit a full keyboard into the > case. So, asking > for a full keyboard one has to be careful as to what else you > may be getting > and paying for, or looking at what they had to cut to get it to fit. > > Chip > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Chip Orange > Database Administrator > Florida Public Service Commission > > [email protected] > (850) 413-6314 > > (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not > necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DayStar Promotions [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 12:56 PM > > To: Chip Orange > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: regarding laptop recommendations with full sized > > keyboards > > > > Chip, > > > > Good point about what keys may be missing on a 15x inch laptop with > > full keyboards including the number pad. And battery life > is always > > important as well. However I know that both the Asus and the Acer > > have such a configurations. > > > > John > > > > At 11:03 AM 2/2/2009, you wrote: > > >No, the large keyboards are rare. > > > > > >Lenovo made some under the thinkpad brand, but I'm sure > they're more > > >money than that. > > > > > >You should check out the expected battery life. The full-sized > > >keyboards usually came on pcs with a short battery life > because they > > >were large, and I guess high performance desktop > > replacements. 15 inch > > >sounds like a good screen size though. > > > > > >The other things to checkout is the placement of the arrow > > keys, the six > > >pack keys, and the modifiers to see that they are on both > > sides of the > > >keyboard. Make sure they didn't get the room for the > numeric pad by > > >shorting you these various keys. > > > > > >Chip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > > > >Chip Orange > > >Database Administrator > > >Florida Public Service Commission > > > > > >[email protected] > > >(850) 413-6314 > > > > > > (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author > and do not > > >necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service > Commission.) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: gary melconian [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:45 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: regarding laptop recommendations with full sized > > keyboards > > > > > > > > Hello to the list I was wondering if any one has come > across any > > > > 15 inch laptops with 101 full sized keyboard with integrated > > > > numeric keypad , that would work really wel with > > > > WE and nto having ot carry an external key pad. I came > > > > across one the other day at office depot by Hp and I am a bit > > > > amazed but not sure to make the purchase it does not come with > > > > firewire but comes with us, a full sized keyboard with > integrated > > > > numeric keypad. It is the hp g60-230 and it can be had > for about > > > > $650. It has 3 GB of ram,vista 32 and 320 gb hard drive > with duel > > > > core 4200 2.0 GHz processor with 1mb of cashe. If that is a > > > > good deal, and if I should take a look at it wwhihc would make > > > > life eeasier with WE, any help to any one. I may > consider this one > > > > if anyone on the list can give me anything better then this one > > > > for the price point that I am looking at which is in > the $600 to > > > > $800 price range no more than that since that is what I > can afford > > > > at the moment. 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