How do you get the old eloquence back? -----Original Message----- From: Josh N Rivera [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:34 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: FW: 7.1 stability problems
I agree about the new Eloquence. I tried it, but reverted back to the old fellow. On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:44:48 -0500 Chris Belle <[email protected]> writes: > I think the eloquence and scripting thing have been > > a problem from jump street in the we7 cycle. > > It was so bad that I reverted back to we6.1 despite it's draw-backs > > of now and again dropping characters in emails and leaving out lines > > and pesky things like that, the good old osm and direct text things > > that have buged us forever, but it was pretty stable 99 percent of > the time. > > Running we7 any version I could count on some crashes in a day, > unacceptable in my line of work, as hours of tracking and editing > can > be lost, of course, backing and saving often minimize this, but I > can > run we6.1 or jaws 9 for lots and lots of hours and even days with no > > trouble but not we 7. > > The old eloquence is better, the new eloquence dogs things down on > my > machine somehow, don't know why but it does. > > I need to work with we7.1 a bit more to really give a strong > oppinion, but when I had it imaged on here a day ago, it felt pretty > > good, but that was with the old eloquence. > > But I got some crashes, when moving around quickly, not all the > time, > but all of a sudden speech would go away when doing something. > > The text editing is better, I don't know if it's completely fixed, > I'll need to test more, but my friend says we doesn't pul that trick > > of dinging or not reading anything when you try and rename a file > and > you see nothing in the field like it so often does when you hit f2 > and try and rename a file or something silly like that. > > Or hoses your file when your trying to type in notepad. > > I think it's important for a screenreader to support all the basic > modules of the os it supports and not to have to use a special > editor > in other words, everyone has notepad, and word pad, and not to be > hateful, but jaws, and nvda, and almost everybody can handle these > little apps ok, so it's time we handles them properly 'smile'. > > And I think it does with 7.1, but more testing and I'll say more. > > But we need our stability back. > > We can't say we have the most stable screenreader on the planet > right now. > > Not on my machine anyway, not with the latest version anyway. > > Best regards. > > > > At 02:30 PM 7/14/2009, you wrote: > >If people don't mind me asking, could everyone reading this thread > >respond with whether you're having a lot of stability problems, > your OS, > >and how many scripts you're running? I've begun to think it's > related > >to the number of scripts, or at least more likely for those running > a > >lot. > > > >I am seeing stability issues, for both xp and vista, and I'm > running 40 > >or more scripts. > > > >I also see far fewer issues when I use dec-talk access, as opposed > to > >when I use eloquence. > > > >Chip > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Chip Orange > >Database Administrator > >Florida Public Service Commission > > > >[email protected] > >(850) 413-6314 > > > > (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do > not > >necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service > Commission.) > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: C. Richcreek Enterprises [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:59 PM > > > To: Edward; [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: FW: 7.1 stability problems > > > > > > Not having all of those problems with WinEyes 7.1 here. Using > > > XP Home SP3, > > > IE 6 Best, Craig B. Richcreek > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Edward" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:02 PM > > > Subject: FW: FW: 7.1 stability problems > > > > > > > > > >I found most bugs corrected in 7.1 but w e is still no where > near as > > > > responsive as jaws is. Also, if you move to quick with w > > > e, it ends up > > > > crashing the program you are working in like windows > > > explorer or internet > > > > explorer. > > > > > > > > Edward > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Pastor Gil Pries [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:44 PM > > > > To: Bob Quinn; [email protected]; Chris Belle > > > > Subject: Re: FW: 7.1 stability problems > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I found all my problems with Internet Explorer 7 crashing > > > disappeared when > > > > I > > > > updated to Internet Explorer 8. > > > > I have had no problems with brouse mode or crashing. > > > > Tried Firefox 3.5 and had brouse mode issues going to my > > > home page when I > > > > opened up Firefox. > > > > Pastor Gil > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Bob Quinn" <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]>; "Chris Belle" > <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:23 PM > > > > Subject: Re: FW: 7.1 stability problems > > > > > > > > > > > >> OOps I posted this earlier, but did reply to sender not to > > > all sorry > > > >> about > > > > > > > >> that. I have no problems with 7.1 it seems as good as the > previous > > > >> versions. I > > > >> have been using WE on my home computers since version 4, > > > and have found > > > >> That > > > >> home made set files always need to be redone whenever a > > > major upgrade > > > >> comes > > > >> out whether it be WE or the program they were made for. I > gave up > > > >> complicated sets, and use the mouse a lot. Updating home > > > made sets takes > > > >> a > > > >> lot of time, and work. I still make them, but keep them to > the bare > > > >> necessities for simpler updating. > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Chris Belle" <[email protected]> > > > >> To: <[email protected]> > > > >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:23 PM > > > >> Subject: RE: FW: 7.1 stability problems > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> Hi Chip? > > > >>> > > > >>> I did do exactly what you suggested, and got no where. > > > >>> > > > >>> I have since been able to duplicate this problem with a > competent > > > >>> technician colleague who I work with regularly, this > > > morning as a matter > > > >>> of fact. > > > >>> > > > >>> Sure enough, setfiles that work well for soundforge 7b > > > with we 6.1 will > > > >>> break badly under we7 and not load correctly, hyperactive > window > > > >>> cordinates will be messed up, and associations for > > > loading will be > > > >>> messed > > > > > > > >>> up. > > > >>> > > > >>> I was told that this was probably something specific to > > > my machine. > > > >>> > > > >>> Now I have good evidence that it is not so and that > > > window-eyes is at > > > >>> fault. > > > >>> > > > >>> At 11:18 AM 7/13/2009, you wrote: > > > >>>>why don't you send the set files to support, with a > > > detailed explanation > > > >>>>of how things work under 6.1, and a detailed explanation > > > of what it > > > >>>>takes to see they're broken under 7.1? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>------------------------------ > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Chip Orange > > > >>>>Database Administrator > > > >>>>Florida Public Service Commission > > > >>>> > > > >>>>[email protected] > > > >>>>(850) 413-6314 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author > > > and do not > > > >>>>necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service > > > Commission.) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > -----Original Message----- > > > >>>> > From: Chris Belle [mailto:[email protected]] > > > >>>> > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:10 AM > > > >>>> > To: [email protected] > > > >>>> > Subject: Re: FW: 7.1 stability problems > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > I've gotten the same here on several ocasions. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > After abandoning we 7.0 in frustration because of a > failure to > > > >>>> > communicate to gwmicro my issues for various reasons I > > > won't go in to > > > >>>> > here, I decided to give we7.1 a test drive. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > To their credit, one issue that's seems to have been > > > resolved is the > > > >>>> > drag and drop issue, it now seems to be working. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > This was broken in the we7 release. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > My test drive of it with levelator with we7.1 seems to > > > work now. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > One very serious problem I am having with we since the > > > whole we7 > > > >>>> > cycle began is the issue of setfiles being broken > between > > > >>>> > we6.1 and we7. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > I have some very extensive and very well written > > > soundforge setfiles > > > >>>> > written by my good friend Tom Kingston whom I beta tested > for > > > >>>> > last year. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > These setfiles add a lot of functionallity and usability > to > > > >>>> > soundforge 8, and I modifyed them to work with my > > > prefered soundforge > > > >>>> > 7 installation. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > When I upgraded to we7 in any of it's incarnations, > > > these setfiles > > > >>>> > neither load correctly, and window cordinates are > > > messed up, and all > > > >>>> > kinds of strange things happen. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > I've had some very brief conversation with gwmicro > > > over this but have > > > >>>> > never gotten this satisfactorily addressed. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > There is no change with we7.1, the setfiles are still > > > very broken. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > The basic structure of the setfiles is this, there are > > > two loader > > > >>>> > sets which are associated with different modules in > > > soundforge, and > > > >>>> > hyperactive windows will trigger and load the > > > appropriate setfile as > > > >>>> > needed for any given window, so when you want to > > > create a new setfile > > > >>>> > for a new part of the forge, you just make a new > > > setfile and load it > > > >>>> > with a hyperactive window from one of the loader sets. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > Pretty slick, kind of what I used to do with the ram > > > locations with > > > >>>> > vocal-eyes and branching remember when we only had 10 > > > hyperactive > > > >>>> > windows, my have we come a long way. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > something changed in we7 which broke these setfiles. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > Any enlightening information would be appreciated. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > Regards. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > At 04:36 PM 7/12/2009, you wrote: > > > >>>> > >I am having the same problem. If you move around to > quick in > > > >>>> > >windows > > > >>>> > >explorer or internet explorer w e will crash. > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > >Edward > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > >-----Original Message----- > > > >>>> > >From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]] > > > >>>> > >Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:29 PM > > > >>>> > >To: [email protected] > > > >>>> > >Subject: RE: 7.1 stability problems > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > >Yes, Bill, I was; then I switched to dec-talk access > 32, > > > >>>> > from Eloquence, and > > > >>>> > >things do seem much better. why not try that and see if > it > > > >>>> > makes a big > > > >>>> > >difference; it will help them a lot, in tracking it > down, if > > > >>>> > you find this > > > >>>> > >out. > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > >Chip > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > >-----Original Message----- > > > >>>> > >From: Bill Holton [mailto:[email protected]] > > > >>>> > >Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:32 PM > > > >>>> > >To: [email protected] > > > >>>> > >Subject: 7.1 stability problems > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > >Hi. > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > >Is anyone else having trouble with 7.1 when you start > moving > > > >>>> > fast around the > > > >>>> > >computer? I have WE 7.1 stop talking on both my XP and > > > >>>> > Vista machines, both > > > >>>> > >using eloquence, if I start keying around too fast with > > > >>>> > either Windows keys > > > >>>> > >or WE hotkeys. The rest of the sounds on the PC work > fine, > > > >>>> > and it's not > > > >>>> > >locking up, but it takes speech about ten seconds to > start > > > >>>> > again. Other > > > >>>> > >times it doesn't start again, and the only way to get > WE > > > >>>> > back is to do a > > > >>>> > >hard reset. > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > >On my Vista machine, I also have a problem I have had > ever > > > >>>> > since I started > > > >>>> > >using Vista, only now it happens more frequently. > Speech > > > >>>> > will die, the > > > >>>> > >other sounds are working fine, and the only way to get > WE > > > >>>> > back is to turn > > > >>>> > >the machine off or do a start menu restart. Then, just > > > >>>> > before Windows shuts > > > >>>> > >down, the speech comes back fine, for about two > seconds, > > > >>>> > then the machine is > > > >>>> > >restarted. This is very frustrating. Anyone else > having > > > >>>> > this situation? > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > >Thanks. Bill > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > >Bill > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > >If you reply to this message it will be delivered to > the > > > >>>> > original sender > > > >>>> > >only. 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