Houdy, This is one of those beuty being in the eye of the beholder situations. On a personal note though, my preference would be to use window-eyes because as a power user I have much better success with it. Jaws is great for if you need your hands held, or if you need to use the microsoft office programs and suchthings. For a person who is learning how to use a computer in its beginning stages they're not bad either. You can get going pretty nicely if you study the help system in there. I'll give them there props on that score. I say this because I had to make the switch to using it for years in order to nail and maintain a teaching job. however, heaven help ya if you need support there will be times where you'll be left out with the laundry ta dry. Window-eyes let's you as they say unleash the power of your minds eye. After all the whole computing thing is a case of man over machine. You should be allowed to control it, and not it, control you. Plus as steve said there are the issues with the lawsuits. I'd rather buy something that's going to help me with doing the work that I do rather than cover litigation costs. There's really not a good or bad for either screen reader.It's really a case of the application your working with and which one's strength it caters to.
Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heidi" <[email protected]> To: "'Bob Quinn'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "'Chris Belle'" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 3:26 PM Subject: RE: Window-eyes good or bad? I use office e-mail, PowerPoint, word and excel with little problem with window eyes. Heidi [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Bob Quinn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 2:07 PM To: [email protected]; Chris Belle Subject: Re: Window-eyes good or bad? I agree with most of what Chris has said below. Win-Eyes does work with most things without any tinkering if you are familiar with all its features especially the mouse cursor. However if I were in a work envirenment I would choose JAWS for use with Office applications. Perhaps this is because I have not used Win-Eyes that much with Off ice lately. The JAWS key is definitly a disadvantage.----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 11:15 AM Subject: Re: Window-eyes good or bad? > Let's see pros and cons. > > I'll start with my first love window-eyes. > prose > 1. > Works well out of the box with many apps providing one learns their screen > reader reading keys, and uses the mouse movement and clicking keys. > 2. > Has no invasive and unreliable copy protection scheme. > Allows one to install on any number of machines without having to deal > with internet licensing management. > 3. > Costs a bit less than jaws. > 4. > Has very good beginner level and intermediate tech support. > 5. > Allows one to create customizable environments or setfiles without having > to be a programmer or scripter which is difficult and not something the > average person can do, but setfiles are made with selections from a menu > driven interface and are very powerful. > > cons > 1. > Does not always accurately work in edit modes with many programms, eudora, > notepad, rename dialogues, etc. > Work has been done to improve this but as of 7.1, errors can still happen. > 2. > Does not accurately work at all times with selecting items, or identifying > what's selected. > Inevitably, when window-eyes won't read text that's selected or an edit > field properly, jaws almost always will read it correctly. > 3. > Scripting is very powerful and potentially a huge shot in the arm for > window-eyes but as of now there are no real productivity apps available > and many of the scripts are buggy and don't work well, or they crash > window-eyes. > 4. > The scripting re-write of window-eyes has de-stabilized it a bit, it's > getting better but still has a way to go to become the most stable > screen-reader on the planet as one of the founders is so fond of > advertising 'grin'. > > Ok now for the other mistress I'm forced to have congress with let's talk > about jaws. > > prose. > 1. > Since they were first in the nt world, and been at scripting longer, there > are many more high level apps that work better with jaws. > My wife says office works better with jaws for her, and my experience > bears this out. > 2. > Very good support for editing and selection and accuracy with eudora and > notepad and for jaws 9, not the latest jaws, but for the version I'm > working with is extremely stable. > 3. > Very good support for music apps like sonar, and third party plug-ins, if > one is going to be a recording engineer or musician using music > technology, recording, scoring, any of that kind of thing, and if one > wants screen-reader technology to support this in anything approaching > modern standards, jaws is your only choice. > 4. > A larger company with more programmers and resources to throw at a > problem, and many more users than window-eyes. > > Ok cons for jaws. > 1. > Has a terrible copy protection scheme which can go south on you just for > doing simple things like upgrade memory, or even plugging in your sound > card or upgrading firmware. > Further more to add insult to injury, because of how the servers work, one > might get stuck on the weekend and have to wait till offices open up to > get authorized. > This in my oppinion only aggrivates the customers, and leads to smart > folks pirating jaws more and just makes it harder for the honest folk who > need to use their tools but get burned by the heavy handed way fs > operates. > 2. > Tech support is a bit less personal and not as readily available. > 3. > Jaws is picky about video displays, not as much as it used to be but still > a consideration as with any screen-reader, but a bit more so with jaws. > 4. > Costs more. > 5. > For basic applications right out of the box, with no scripting involved, > jaws doesn't work as well as window-eyes. > If one knows the screen-reader one can open up the defaults a bit, but > over all, I think window-eyes still tends to show a bit more of what's > actually on the screen over-all. > > Ok, these are my subjective, objective takes on the two major players, > take it for what it's worth. > > Your mileage may vary. > > > > > At 09:03 AM 7/25/2009, you wrote: >> Hi Blake: >>It seems that this debate has been going on forever, but if you are >>looking for a consensus among the blind community, you won't get one. >>I, along with most others on this list can go on and on about the things >>we like about Window-eyes as compared to JAWS, but when I proclaimed the >>virtues of Windoweyes over JAWS on another list, I got an earful from a >>few of the JAWS users on that list. 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