Here is a tiny idea, which may just suit most cases.
Could there be a list in the Verbosity settings, where you could choose
the different controls of a webpage, and then choose how you want them
spoken. So, you go to Verbosity, and get a listbox or whatever, that
gives you the many different controltypes. You now arrow down to
"links", tab over to a set of Radiobuttons, and choose "before" or
"after". Then you go back to the list of controls, arrow down to
"Buttons", tab over to the set of Radiobuttons, and choose "before", or
"after".
Ok, it does need a bit of setup, but you then would be able to taylor as
much as possible. You can have the links spoken in one way, the buttons
in another, and the edit boxes in whichever way you'd like. BTW, first
such an approach would be made a reality, I personally would have loved
to see a radiobutton holding "before", "after", and "silenced". The
thing is, that when I browse the net, I usually will be able to tell
from the text (label) of a control, whether it is a link or an edit box.
So simply to silence certain control types, would be great. And please
note, I am not saying to silence the label or text of the control, only
the type of control. To illustrate what I mean, try to read an article
on Wikipedia. All the referenced text, will be spoken with the word link
attached - either before or after the actual text of the link. If now, I
could have silenced the word link, I could keep concentrating on the
actual article. And, even if I tab around on the page, I will still
know, I landed on a link, since I tabbed there. Yet, I would like to
have the page inform me when I land on a combo box, so I would have set
Links to "silence", but comboboxes to "before", and maybe buttons to
"after". The day such an approach had been the case, I could really
start to taylor the speech feedback to my likings, and whoever else
wants it differently, could do so to their hearts desire. A bit more of
a UI work for GW, and some extra settings to fool around with for the
user; yet it would maybe serve just about any personal taste. :)
BTW, when entering a new page, and having set the verbosity to read the
page summary, could there please have been a way for the user to decide
which info, and in which order he wants to have the info spoken. Let's
give an example. By standard, you would hear things like:
"3 links, 2 headings, 5 tables." First of all, maybe I don't care about
the number of links, so I would have turned them off, in the summary.
Secondly, maybe I generally want to know, how many tables are on the
page, before the number of headings. One way to approach this in the
Verbosity UI, could be to have a screen, where you have a list of the
different infos that can be included in the summary. The user would pick
the info he wants, and click the Add button. When he has created a list
of the controls he wants to include, he could use "up" and "down"
buttons to arrange the order in which he wants the info spoken.
If you want to see an example of what kind of screen I imagine for this
usage, you could see the screen in the VoiceRotor app, where you can
pick the voices, and then arrange the order of them.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Kingston"
<[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Reading links
The problem is that there's no satisfying everyone. for example, I
liked having the dedicated link before or after setting because to me
it allowed me to hear things in what I consider to be a logical order.
I don't care about most controls. But I prefer to hear link first
because links can be long and I know it's a link immediately.
conversely, if I set the one size fits all setting that way then my
brain is saying, no no no! when I hear, button save, button continue,
button play, etc. instead of save button, continue button, and play
button. I don't ever recall telling someone to hit the button X to do
something.
I also prefer to hear heading first for the same reason as link.
but I don't really care about edit boxes, combo-boxes, and lists
because there's usually not that much information in the label.
Regards,
Tom
On 10/23/2012 6:56 AM, Jim Grimsby JR. wrote:
Hi, this is as it should be. After all a hyper link is a html
control just
like a edit box etc.
So how come headings don't follow this rule. I mean I still here
heading 1
text blah blah
Verces text blah blah heading 1.
Also how come speech user don't have as much control over what they
here as
the braille users have over what they feel.
Another question is how come button names are treated as data verces
names.
For example you have the save as dialog. You tab to the save button.
The
phone rings it is your mom you spend some time with your mom talking.
Been
doing this a lot here lately as my mom is about to get hitched.
Anyway you
come back to the computer and you need to refresh your self where you
are.so
you issue the feeld name command. Window-eyes beeps. So you issue
the data
or summery command.
Speaking of the speak summery command is there some reason the
control type
is not provided?
Don't get me wrong I think the guys at gw micro are doing a wonderful
job.
These are just a few questions I ask my self at times.
We won't even talk about keyboard layouts. I have givin up on that one
smile.
-----Original Message-----
From: Raul A. Gallegos [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:06 AM
To: GW Info List
Subject: Re: Reading links
Hi, this is now controlled by the regular verbosity setting. Go to
verbosity, then Focused. The options is called speak window types.
Choose before or after data, depending on which preference you want.
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On 10/23/2012 2:06 AM, Sim Kah Yong wrote:
I remember that there is a way to get WE to say link before the
hyper-text. Now I cannot find where to make the change.
I find that the hotkey insert R does not work all the time. A new
hotkey to go directly to non-visited links will be helpful for sites I
have visited most of the links.
Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Dave Bahr <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* gw-info <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 23, 2012 1:58 PM
*Subject:* Re: Reading links
The links dialog of the verbosity section is same as it's been.
Couldn't you just turn off the option to read visited links and Oh
wait I think I see what you're saying. So you want Window-Eyes to
skip over the links that you have Artie visited, correct? Could
you
use the previous position hotkey, insert r?
Dave C. Bahr
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On 10/22/2012 11:52 PM, Sim Kah Yong wrote:
Hi all, can I revert to window-eyes saying links before the
hyper-text just like before?
Where can I make the adjustment.
Also, can GW-micro consider adding non-visited links as a new
hotkey for browse mode.
This will be very useful for sites where one has visited most of
the links.
Thanks.
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