I can't answer this well, because I dislike reading my messages this way. But I do know that what you can do while the BSP is reading is limited. I'm not sure if you can delete the message without exiting read-all mode. Donna
> -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Hall [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed > > So pressing Enter on a message will automatically open it, then > you can delete it read the next one, or tab or shift-tab out of > the body and to the other fields. Believe me, I would like > nothing more than to see this thing live, but no one has them > around here so I cannot. We are lucky to have an extra > Braillenote, and that is all the schools buy. > > Have a great day, > Alex > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >From: "don bishop" <[email protected] > >To: <[email protected] > >Date sent: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:20:47 -0700 > >Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed > > >Alex, > > >A slight correction and maybe even a clarification. Admittedly, > the > >email program really does need some work. But, when you scroll > through > >a list of messages you can have the subject, date, or sender as > the > >field shown. Also, You can have each message opened if you tab > to that. > >In other words, if you tab to the open message item, the message > will > >be opened. If you delete it, then the next message will be > opened. You > >can still tab to the from, date, or subject field if you like. > > >If you're on the subject field, for example, and wish to open the > >message, just press enter and the message will open. > > >Some of these items are a bit awkward to describe, and I'd really > >suggest you try to see a unit yourself and experiment to see just > what > >you can and cannot do. > > >I honestly think a description of how to perform some of these > tasks > >isn't nearly as helpful as seeing a live demo. > > >Just my thoughts. > > >Don > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Alex Hall" <[email protected] > >To: <[email protected] > >Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:21 AM > >Subject: RE: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed > > > >> Hmmm... The bn already cannot check multiple accounts at once > or > >> filter, so that is no change. Tabbing will get frustrating as I > am > >> constantly emailing, though with only one account; I get around > 150 > >> messages a day, easily. You cannot simply press enter to open > the > >> message? What about what someone mentioned, about using the > scroll > >> keys in place of tab and shift-tab? Is that possible here? If > so, it > >> seems that doing that would be no different from spacing through > the > >> email info like I already do on the bn. > > >> Have a great day, > >> Alex > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Richard Turner" <[email protected] > >>>To: <[email protected] > >>>Date sent: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:01:28 -0700 > >>>Subject: RE: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed > > >>>Not to mention that Humanware shows no signs of catching up to > >> the 21st > >>>century with their units. > >>>Alex, I have not used the unit in all of the areas that your > >> questions > >>>addressed, but in spite of a few irritations with the e-mail > >> program, the > >>>other things are very easy to live with. > >>>I always do final editing on a computer, so the limits of the > >> word processer > >>>don't bother me. > > >>>About e-mails. If you use e-mail a ton, this is the one area you > >> may get a > >>>bit tired of, especially if you have more than one e-mail > >> account. > >>>1. You have to check e-mail for each account separately. > >>>2. You can not create a filter to sort the e-mail from the > >> different > >>>accounts into a separate mail box. So, for example, if you get > >> 30 messages > >>>from one account, then get 30 more from another account, they are > >> sorted by > >>>the date stamp by default. So, the messages will be all mixed up > >> so the > >>>first couple might be from account A, the next ten might be from > >> account b, > >>>and so forth. > >>>3. You cannot read the subject, date and sender information at > >> once, you > >>>have to tab from the subject field, to the date field, to the > >> from field. > >>>One more tab opens the message. > >>>4. This is, in some ways, the most irritating part of the > >> e-mail. You do > >>>not have a sent folder, nor a trash folder. Once you delete a > >> message, it > >>>is gone. > > >>>If you have, or want, GPS, it is still not updated to the latest > >> Sendero > >>>release, which means it does not have as many features as the > >> latest version > >>>on the BrailleNotes. > > >>>All that being said, I would still choose the Braille Sense Plus > >> over a > >>>BrailleNote. For devices with an onboard braille display, I do > >> think it is > >>>the best. > >>>I hope the e-mail program gets updated soon, as that is the area > >> most > >>>lacking in my opinion. > > >>>Richard > > > > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Alex Hall [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:57 PM > >>>To: [email protected] > >>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed > > >>>I think the bsp is better because it seems to lock up less > >> online, it has > >>>8gb of internal storage compared to the bn's 120mb, it has MSN > >> Messenger, > >>>the company supports their products much better, it has built-in > >> wifi, I do > >>>not have to send my unit back for several weeks just to get a new > >> battery, > >>>it has an lcd display so sighted partners and teachers can see > >> what I am > >>>doing without me emailing them or using Keyview, it has a mode > >> that lets it > >>>act as a mass storage device for a pc, so I do not have to fight > >> with Active > >>>Sync just to put some files on it from my pc, it has media > >> keys... I could > >>>go on, but you get the idea. > > >>>Have a great day, > >>>Alex > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: estin <[email protected] > >>>>To: [email protected] > >>>>Date sent: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:14:36 +1200 > >>>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed > > >>>>Alex This is Estin what made you decide to change units. > >>>>Also how much is a braille sense plus now. > > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>From: Alex Hall <[email protected] > >>>>>To: [email protected] > >>>>>Date sent: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:25:56 -0400 > >>>>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed > > >>>>>Thank you. I know all my questions were negative, but that is > >> the > >>>>>point; I hear all the praise about the unit on reviews and > >> podcasts, > >>>>>but never anything bad, as one would expect. I wanted the "dark > >>>>>side", if such a thing exists for the BSP, from the actual, > >> real-life > >>>>>user before I go about making the switch. I have used a bn since > >>>>>2002, so moving to a new unit is a huge deal, plus, of course, it > >>>>>costs a lot. I am not worried about getting used to the > >> intercace, > >>>>>since I also have used Windows since 200 or so, but it seems like > >> some > >>>>>things would be more annothing, like having to tab a whole bunch > >> of > >>>>>times just to get to, say, the OKAY button. > > >>>>>Have a great day, > >>>>>Alex > > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>From: Joe Giovanelli <[email protected] > >>>>>>To: [email protected] > >>>>>>Date sent: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:15:37 -0800 > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed > > >>>>>>Hi, Alex, > > >>>>>>There's no way I can reply to all of your questions. > > >>>>>>I don't think this unit supports video files. > > > >>>>>>It does play MP 3, Daisy, Wav and some others. > > >>>>>>It reads HTML perfectly well. > > >>>>>>It handles forms found on the Internet very well. There is no, > >>>>>separate forms mode. You are just presented with the edit box. > > >>>>>>The keyboard on the Braille Sense is the best keyboard I have > >>>>>seen, and that includes your Braille Note. I have heard about > >> only > >>>>>problem with the keyboard from only one person. I've logged lots > >> of > >>>>>hours on the unit and it works as well as the day I got it. > > >>>>>>The battery is easy to change. > > >>>>>>I have not timed how long the battery will last under varying > >>>>>conditions. I usually get a day's work from the unit. > > >>>>>>There definitely are translation problems from ASCII to Braille > >>>>>and vice versa and the errors are not consststent. If I want to > >> have > >>>>>a document look good, I use ASCII via a USB keyboard. > > >>>>>>All your questions are negative. This unit has some definite > >>>>>good qualities. The word processor works well. It does what the > >>>>>manual says it does. Formatting is not complete. There isn't a > >>>>>shortcut key for centering. > > >>>>>>There is a hot key for tabbing forward but you do need a > >>>>>combination key for shift-tab. > > >>>>>>Forget about printing unless you happen to have a printer which > >>>>>supports PCL 3; it must be HP compatible. The serial port > >>>>>cannot be used for a printer connection. This printing thing is > >> my > >>>>>biggest gripe about this unit. > > >>>>>>We don't see too many releases. We won't see a release just for > >>>>>bug fixes. A release will fix these, but it will also contain > >> major > >>>>>feature additions. > > > >>>>>>I'm writing this in Braille; the e-mail will first be translated > >>>>>into Ascii, so you may see a couple of translation errors. > > >>>>>>I should say that the wireless LAN works very well. I have never > >>>>>had a drop-out. > > >>>>>>In general, data is not lost during a reset unless it has not > >>>>>been saved. All settings will be lost but if these are backed up > >>>>>properly, they are easily restored. > > >>>>>>I'll let others answer your other questions. I hope this was > >>>>>helpful. > > >>>>>>Joe G. > > > > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>From: Alex Hall <[email protected] > >>>>>>To: [email protected] > >>>>>>Date: Friday, Jun 19, 2009 13:44:36 > >>>>>>Subject: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed > > > > >>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>> For those of you using the Braille Sense Plus, I would like to > >> ask > >>>>>>> you a small favor: could you respond with all the bad things > >>>>>>> (missing features, bugs, data corruption, and so on) that you > >> have > >>>>>>> found with your unit? I am closer now to being able to get one > >> of > >>>>>>> these to replace my BN, but I want to know the "real story" > >> behind > >>>>>>> the BSP's operation in daily life before I > >>>>>proceed. > >>>>>>> Note that I am a student going into either software design or > >>>>>web > >>>>>>> programming, I am not sure which yet, with two years of school > >>>>>>> remaining. I know the technical specs, but no one in my state > >> has > >>>>>>> one that I can look at and use first-hand; I have only your > >>>>>>> responses and the reviews and podcasts around the Internet to > >> guide > >>>>>>> me. I would like to know the following, and sorry it is such a > >>>>>>> long list, but then again, it is a lot of money. > >>>>>>> 1. How annoying constantly pressing the tab and shift-tab key > >>>>>>> combos gets? > >>>>>>> 2. How often can you do things with a shortcut key to avoid > >>>>>>> tabbing five times? > >>>>>>> 3. What can the wordprocessor not handle? > >>>>>>> 4. What problems do you find when browsing the Internet? > >>>>>>> 5. How often does the unit lock up, resulting in a reset and > >>>>>>> therefore a loss of data? > >>>>>>> 6. What problems still exist with the email program, even > after > >>>>>>> the firmware updates? > >>>>>>> 7. What external device compatibility issues, if any, have you > >>>>>>> found? > >>>>>>> 8. Can Bluetooth do object exchange, and is it stable? > >>>>>>> 9. Can you browse networks? > >>>>>>> 10. How is printing as far as formatting, printer support, > font > >>>>>>> changes, retaining page setup (such as centered lines, line > >>>>>>> spacing, etc)? > >>>>>>> 11. How is the Braille display after months of use? > >>>>>>> 12. Is Wifi stable, or does it often drop connections, connect > >> to > >>>>>>> networks it cannot actually see, you get the idea? > >>>>>>> 13. Can it take SDHC cards? > >>>>>>> 14. Does the DSL jack always work properly? > >>>>>>> 15. How is battery, with and without wifi, bluetooth, and so > >>>>>on? > >>>>>>> 16. Can you turn on and off speech and braille independently? > >>>>>>> 17. If you came from a BN, how is the Braille display > >>>>>scrolling? > >>>>>>> 18. How does it handle translation to and from grade 2? > >>>>>>> 19. Can one use computer braille languages other than English? > >>>>>>> 20. How does the LCD display work in real-life applications? > It > >> is > >>>>>>> a good concept, but is it easy to display what you want, to > turn > >> it > >>>>>>> off, and so on? > >>>>>>> 21. How easy is it to buy and install a new battery? > >>>>>>> 22. If you are a student, what problems have you found in > >> classes, > >>>>>>> such as unsupported files, trouble with emails, and the like? > >>>>>>> 23. For GWM staff: any plans to incorporate Nemeth, UEB, or > >> other > >>>>>>> useful codes? > >>>>>>> 24. What media file size cannot be played? If you play a 150mb > >> DVS > >>>>>>> movie, for example, will it work / will the system bog down > any? > >>>>>>> 25. How does the unit react to high heat and/or humidity? > Cold? > >>>>>>> 26. How are new lines represented? On the BN, they can be a > one > >> or > >>>>>>> two cell intentation on the display, or an ed sign followed > >>>>>by > >>>>>>> a people. I always set it to indent one cell, since there is > no > >>>>>other > >>>>>>> reason for the display to ever indent in text, so any indent is > >>>>>a > >>>>>>> new line and it feels more like a Brailled document and makes > >> more > >>>>>>> sense, to me at least. > >>>>>>> 27. Is there a limit to the number attachments in an email? > The > >> BN > >>>>>>> will not send more than 7, I believe. > >>>>>>> 28. Technical: what Javascript does the unit support? For > >> example, > >>>>>>> the BN supports onload, onunload, and onclick, but not > onchange, > >>>>>>> onfocus, onkeypress, and the rest. > >>>>>>> 29. How is filling out fields on the BSP? > >>>>>>> 30. Have you run into issues where keys would stick or in any > >>>>>>> other way not work? > >>>>>>> 31. What version of JS does the browser have? Will it support > >>>>>>> dhtml (the innerHTML method on objects)? > >>>>>>> 32. Overall, how do you like your unit for what you do with > it? > >>>>>>> Please tell me anything you do not like about the unit, even if > >>>>>I > >>>>>>> did not cover it? > >>>>>>> You can reply off-list to avoid Raul's or Jeremy's wrath (JK > >> guys). > >>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any responses. > > >>>>>>> Have a great day, > >>>>>>> Alex > > > > >>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > >> virus signature > >>>database 4173 (20090620) __________ > > >>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > >>>http://www.eset.com > > > > > >>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > >> virus signature > >>>database 4173 (20090620) __________ > > >>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > >>>http://www.eset.com > > > > >> __________ NOD32 4173 (20090620) Information __________ > > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.81/2189 - Release Date: > 06/20/09 06:15:00
