Alex, No one here has one either, I downloaded the manual and read it end to end when I first considered buying one. Later I talked to a vender and asked him to put me in touch with someone who had used the bsp. I suggest you read the manual. Tessa
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed So pressing Enter on a message will automatically open it, then you can delete it read the next one, or tab or shift-tab out of the body and to the other fields. Believe me, I would like nothing more than to see this thing live, but no one has them around here so I cannot. We are lucky to have an extra Braillenote, and that is all the schools buy. Have a great day, Alex > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "don bishop" <[email protected] >To: <[email protected] >Date sent: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:20:47 -0700 >Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed >Alex, >A slight correction and maybe even a clarification. Admittedly, the >email program really does need some work. But, when you scroll through >a list of messages you can have the subject, date, or sender as the >field shown. Also, You can have each message opened if you tab to that. >In other words, if you tab to the open message item, the message will >be opened. If you delete it, then the next message will be opened. You >can still tab to the from, date, or subject field if you like. >If you're on the subject field, for example, and wish to open the >message, just press enter and the message will open. >Some of these items are a bit awkward to describe, and I'd really >suggest you try to see a unit yourself and experiment to see just what >you can and cannot do. >I honestly think a description of how to perform some of these tasks >isn't nearly as helpful as seeing a live demo. >Just my thoughts. >Don >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alex Hall" <[email protected] >To: <[email protected] >Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:21 AM >Subject: RE: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed >> Hmmm... The bn already cannot check multiple accounts at once or >> filter, so that is no change. Tabbing will get frustrating as I am >> constantly emailing, though with only one account; I get around 150 >> messages a day, easily. You cannot simply press enter to open the >> message? What about what someone mentioned, about using the scroll >> keys in place of tab and shift-tab? Is that possible here? If so, it >> seems that doing that would be no different from spacing through the >> email info like I already do on the bn. >> Have a great day, >> Alex >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Richard Turner" <[email protected] >>>To: <[email protected] >>>Date sent: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:01:28 -0700 >>>Subject: RE: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed >>>Not to mention that Humanware shows no signs of catching up to >> the 21st >>>century with their units. >>>Alex, I have not used the unit in all of the areas that your >> questions >>>addressed, but in spite of a few irritations with the e-mail >> program, the >>>other things are very easy to live with. >>>I always do final editing on a computer, so the limits of the >> word processer >>>don't bother me. >>>About e-mails. If you use e-mail a ton, this is the one area you >> may get a >>>bit tired of, especially if you have more than one e-mail >> account. >>>1. You have to check e-mail for each account separately. >>>2. You can not create a filter to sort the e-mail from the >> different >>>accounts into a separate mail box. So, for example, if you get >> 30 messages >>>from one account, then get 30 more from another account, they are >> sorted by >>>the date stamp by default. So, the messages will be all mixed up >> so the >>>first couple might be from account A, the next ten might be from >> account b, >>>and so forth. >>>3. You cannot read the subject, date and sender information at >> once, you >>>have to tab from the subject field, to the date field, to the >> from field. >>>One more tab opens the message. >>>4. This is, in some ways, the most irritating part of the >> e-mail. You do >>>not have a sent folder, nor a trash folder. Once you delete a >> message, it >>>is gone. >>>If you have, or want, GPS, it is still not updated to the latest >> Sendero >>>release, which means it does not have as many features as the >> latest version >>>on the BrailleNotes. >>>All that being said, I would still choose the Braille Sense Plus >> over a >>>BrailleNote. For devices with an onboard braille display, I do >> think it is >>>the best. >>>I hope the e-mail program gets updated soon, as that is the area >> most >>>lacking in my opinion. >>>Richard >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Alex Hall [mailto:[email protected]] >>>Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:57 PM >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed >>>I think the bsp is better because it seems to lock up less >> online, it has >>>8gb of internal storage compared to the bn's 120mb, it has MSN >> Messenger, >>>the company supports their products much better, it has built-in >> wifi, I do >>>not have to send my unit back for several weeks just to get a new >> battery, >>>it has an lcd display so sighted partners and teachers can see >> what I am >>>doing without me emailing them or using Keyview, it has a mode >> that lets it >>>act as a mass storage device for a pc, so I do not have to fight >> with Active >>>Sync just to put some files on it from my pc, it has media >> keys... I could >>>go on, but you get the idea. >>>Have a great day, >>>Alex >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: estin <[email protected] >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Date sent: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:14:36 +1200 >>>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed >>>>Alex This is Estin what made you decide to change units. >>>>Also how much is a braille sense plus now. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>Date sent: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:25:56 -0400 >>>>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed >>>>>Thank you. I know all my questions were negative, but that is >> the >>>>>point; I hear all the praise about the unit on reviews and >> podcasts, >>>>>but never anything bad, as one would expect. I wanted the "dark >>>>>side", if such a thing exists for the BSP, from the actual, >> real-life >>>>>user before I go about making the switch. I have used a bn since >>>>>2002, so moving to a new unit is a huge deal, plus, of course, it >>>>>costs a lot. I am not worried about getting used to the >> intercace, >>>>>since I also have used Windows since 200 or so, but it seems like >> some >>>>>things would be more annothing, like having to tab a whole bunch >> of >>>>>times just to get to, say, the OKAY button. >>>>>Have a great day, >>>>>Alex >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Joe Giovanelli <[email protected] >>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>Date sent: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:15:37 -0800 >>>>>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed >>>>>>Hi, Alex, >>>>>>There's no way I can reply to all of your questions. >>>>>>I don't think this unit supports video files. >>>>>>It does play MP 3, Daisy, Wav and some others. >>>>>>It reads HTML perfectly well. >>>>>>It handles forms found on the Internet very well. There is no, >>>>>separate forms mode. You are just presented with the edit box. >>>>>>The keyboard on the Braille Sense is the best keyboard I have >>>>>seen, and that includes your Braille Note. I have heard about >> only >>>>>problem with the keyboard from only one person. I've logged lots >> of >>>>>hours on the unit and it works as well as the day I got it. >>>>>>The battery is easy to change. >>>>>>I have not timed how long the battery will last under varying >>>>>conditions. I usually get a day's work from the unit. >>>>>>There definitely are translation problems from ASCII to Braille >>>>>and vice versa and the errors are not consststent. If I want to >> have >>>>>a document look good, I use ASCII via a USB keyboard. >>>>>>All your questions are negative. This unit has some definite >>>>>good qualities. The word processor works well. It does what the >>>>>manual says it does. Formatting is not complete. There isn't a >>>>>shortcut key for centering. >>>>>>There is a hot key for tabbing forward but you do need a >>>>>combination key for shift-tab. >>>>>>Forget about printing unless you happen to have a printer which >>>>>supports PCL 3; it must be HP compatible. The serial port >>>>>cannot be used for a printer connection. This printing thing is >> my >>>>>biggest gripe about this unit. >>>>>>We don't see too many releases. We won't see a release just for >>>>>bug fixes. A release will fix these, but it will also contain >> major >>>>>feature additions. >>>>>>I'm writing this in Braille; the e-mail will first be translated >>>>>into Ascii, so you may see a couple of translation errors. >>>>>>I should say that the wireless LAN works very well. I have never >>>>>had a drop-out. >>>>>>In general, data is not lost during a reset unless it has not >>>>>been saved. All settings will be lost but if these are backed up >>>>>properly, they are easily restored. >>>>>>I'll let others answer your other questions. I hope this was >>>>>helpful. >>>>>>Joe G. >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>Date: Friday, Jun 19, 2009 13:44:36 >>>>>>Subject: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> For those of you using the Braille Sense Plus, I would like to >> ask >>>>>>> you a small favor: could you respond with all the bad things >>>>>>> (missing features, bugs, data corruption, and so on) that you >> have >>>>>>> found with your unit? I am closer now to being able to get one >> of >>>>>>> these to replace my BN, but I want to know the "real story" >> behind >>>>>>> the BSP's operation in daily life before I >>>>>proceed. >>>>>>> Note that I am a student going into either software design or >>>>>web >>>>>>> programming, I am not sure which yet, with two years of school >>>>>>> remaining. I know the technical specs, but no one in my state >> has >>>>>>> one that I can look at and use first-hand; I have only your >>>>>>> responses and the reviews and podcasts around the Internet to >> guide >>>>>>> me. I would like to know the following, and sorry it is such a >>>>>>> long list, but then again, it is a lot of money. >>>>>>> 1. How annoying constantly pressing the tab and shift-tab key >>>>>>> combos gets? >>>>>>> 2. How often can you do things with a shortcut key to avoid >>>>>>> tabbing five times? >>>>>>> 3. What can the wordprocessor not handle? >>>>>>> 4. What problems do you find when browsing the Internet? >>>>>>> 5. How often does the unit lock up, resulting in a reset and >>>>>>> therefore a loss of data? >>>>>>> 6. What problems still exist with the email program, even after >>>>>>> the firmware updates? >>>>>>> 7. What external device compatibility issues, if any, have you >>>>>>> found? >>>>>>> 8. Can Bluetooth do object exchange, and is it stable? >>>>>>> 9. Can you browse networks? >>>>>>> 10. How is printing as far as formatting, printer support, font >>>>>>> changes, retaining page setup (such as centered lines, line >>>>>>> spacing, etc)? >>>>>>> 11. How is the Braille display after months of use? >>>>>>> 12. Is Wifi stable, or does it often drop connections, connect >> to >>>>>>> networks it cannot actually see, you get the idea? >>>>>>> 13. Can it take SDHC cards? >>>>>>> 14. Does the DSL jack always work properly? >>>>>>> 15. How is battery, with and without wifi, bluetooth, and so >>>>>on? >>>>>>> 16. Can you turn on and off speech and braille independently? >>>>>>> 17. If you came from a BN, how is the Braille display >>>>>scrolling? >>>>>>> 18. How does it handle translation to and from grade 2? >>>>>>> 19. Can one use computer braille languages other than English? >>>>>>> 20. How does the LCD display work in real-life applications? It >> is >>>>>>> a good concept, but is it easy to display what you want, to turn >> it >>>>>>> off, and so on? >>>>>>> 21. How easy is it to buy and install a new battery? >>>>>>> 22. If you are a student, what problems have you found in >> classes, >>>>>>> such as unsupported files, trouble with emails, and the like? >>>>>>> 23. For GWM staff: any plans to incorporate Nemeth, UEB, or >> other >>>>>>> useful codes? >>>>>>> 24. What media file size cannot be played? If you play a 150mb >> DVS >>>>>>> movie, for example, will it work / will the system bog down any? >>>>>>> 25. How does the unit react to high heat and/or humidity? Cold? >>>>>>> 26. How are new lines represented? On the BN, they can be a one >> or >>>>>>> two cell intentation on the display, or an ed sign followed >>>>>by >>>>>>> a people. I always set it to indent one cell, since there is no >>>>>other >>>>>>> reason for the display to ever indent in text, so any indent is >>>>>a >>>>>>> new line and it feels more like a Brailled document and makes >> more >>>>>>> sense, to me at least. >>>>>>> 27. Is there a limit to the number attachments in an email? The >> BN >>>>>>> will not send more than 7, I believe. >>>>>>> 28. Technical: what Javascript does the unit support? For >> example, >>>>>>> the BN supports onload, onunload, and onclick, but not onchange, >>>>>>> onfocus, onkeypress, and the rest. >>>>>>> 29. How is filling out fields on the BSP? >>>>>>> 30. Have you run into issues where keys would stick or in any >>>>>>> other way not work? >>>>>>> 31. What version of JS does the browser have? Will it support >>>>>>> dhtml (the innerHTML method on objects)? >>>>>>> 32. Overall, how do you like your unit for what you do with it? >>>>>>> Please tell me anything you do not like about the unit, even if >>>>>I >>>>>>> did not cover it? >>>>>>> You can reply off-list to avoid Raul's or Jeremy's wrath (JK >> guys). >>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any responses. >>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>> Alex >>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >> virus signature >>>database 4173 (20090620) __________ >>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>http://www.eset.com >>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >> virus signature >>>database 4173 (20090620) __________ >>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>http://www.eset.com >> __________ NOD32 4173 (20090620) Information __________ >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com
