Sorry Alex, yes, you can just hit enter to open the message. I did forget to specify that, but also, if you tab beyond the from field, or shift-tab while on the subject field, that also opens the message. Yes, you can delete the message and the next one opens, etc. I haven't used the BN for e-e-mail for so long I forgot it can't check multiple e-mail accounts. The Braille Plus from APH does check multiple accounts at once as does Outlook on a computer, so that is what I was comparing to.
Later, Richard -----Original Message----- From: Alex Hall [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed Hmmm... The bn already cannot check multiple accounts at once or filter, so that is no change. Tabbing will get frustrating as I am constantly emailing, though with only one account; I get around 150 messages a day, easily. You cannot simply press enter to open the message? What about what someone mentioned, about using the scroll keys in place of tab and shift-tab? Is that possible here? If so, it seems that doing that would be no different from spacing through the email info like I already do on the bn. Have a great day, Alex > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Turner" <[email protected] >To: <[email protected] >Date sent: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:01:28 -0700 >Subject: RE: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed >Not to mention that Humanware shows no signs of catching up to the 21st >century with their units. >Alex, I have not used the unit in all of the areas that your questions >addressed, but in spite of a few irritations with the e-mail program, the >other things are very easy to live with. >I always do final editing on a computer, so the limits of the word processer >don't bother me. >About e-mails. If you use e-mail a ton, this is the one area you may get a >bit tired of, especially if you have more than one e-mail account. >1. You have to check e-mail for each account separately. >2. You can not create a filter to sort the e-mail from the different >accounts into a separate mail box. So, for example, if you get 30 messages >from one account, then get 30 more from another account, they are sorted by >the date stamp by default. So, the messages will be all mixed up so the >first couple might be from account A, the next ten might be from account b, >and so forth. >3. You cannot read the subject, date and sender information at once, you >have to tab from the subject field, to the date field, to the from field. >One more tab opens the message. >4. This is, in some ways, the most irritating part of the e-mail. You do >not have a sent folder, nor a trash folder. Once you delete a message, it >is gone. >If you have, or want, GPS, it is still not updated to the latest Sendero >release, which means it does not have as many features as the latest version >on the BrailleNotes. >All that being said, I would still choose the Braille Sense Plus over a >BrailleNote. For devices with an onboard braille display, I do think it is >the best. >I hope the e-mail program gets updated soon, as that is the area most >lacking in my opinion. >Richard >-----Original Message----- >From: Alex Hall [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:57 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed >I think the bsp is better because it seems to lock up less online, it has >8gb of internal storage compared to the bn's 120mb, it has MSN Messenger, >the company supports their products much better, it has built-in wifi, I do >not have to send my unit back for several weeks just to get a new battery, >it has an lcd display so sighted partners and teachers can see what I am >doing without me emailing them or using Keyview, it has a mode that lets it >act as a mass storage device for a pc, so I do not have to fight with Active >Sync just to put some files on it from my pc, it has media keys... I could >go on, but you get the idea. >Have a great day, >Alex >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: estin <[email protected] >>To: [email protected] >>Date sent: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:14:36 +1200 >>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed >>Alex This is Estin what made you decide to change units. >>Also how much is a braille sense plus now. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>To: [email protected] >>>Date sent: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:25:56 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed >>>Thank you. I know all my questions were negative, but that is the >>>point; I hear all the praise about the unit on reviews and podcasts, >>>but never anything bad, as one would expect. I wanted the "dark >>>side", if such a thing exists for the BSP, from the actual, real-life >>>user before I go about making the switch. I have used a bn since >>>2002, so moving to a new unit is a huge deal, plus, of course, it >>>costs a lot. I am not worried about getting used to the intercace, >>>since I also have used Windows since 200 or so, but it seems like some >>>things would be more annothing, like having to tab a whole bunch of >>>times just to get to, say, the OKAY button. >>>Have a great day, >>>Alex >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Joe Giovanelli <[email protected] >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Date sent: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:15:37 -0800 >>>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed >>>>Hi, Alex, >>>>There's no way I can reply to all of your questions. >>>>I don't think this unit supports video files. >>>>It does play MP 3, Daisy, Wav and some others. >>>>It reads HTML perfectly well. >>>>It handles forms found on the Internet very well. There is no, >>>separate forms mode. You are just presented with the edit box. >>>>The keyboard on the Braille Sense is the best keyboard I have >>>seen, and that includes your Braille Note. I have heard about only >>>problem with the keyboard from only one person. I've logged lots of >>>hours on the unit and it works as well as the day I got it. >>>>The battery is easy to change. >>>>I have not timed how long the battery will last under varying >>>conditions. I usually get a day's work from the unit. >>>>There definitely are translation problems from ASCII to Braille >>>and vice versa and the errors are not consststent. If I want to have >>>a document look good, I use ASCII via a USB keyboard. >>>>All your questions are negative. This unit has some definite >>>good qualities. The word processor works well. It does what the >>>manual says it does. Formatting is not complete. There isn't a >>>shortcut key for centering. >>>>There is a hot key for tabbing forward but you do need a >>>combination key for shift-tab. >>>>Forget about printing unless you happen to have a printer which >>>supports PCL 3; it must be HP compatible. The serial port >>>cannot be used for a printer connection. This printing thing is my >>>biggest gripe about this unit. >>>>We don't see too many releases. We won't see a release just for >>>bug fixes. A release will fix these, but it will also contain major >>>feature additions. >>>>I'm writing this in Braille; the e-mail will first be translated >>>into Ascii, so you may see a couple of translation errors. >>>>I should say that the wireless LAN works very well. I have never >>>had a drop-out. >>>>In general, data is not lost during a reset unless it has not >>>been saved. All settings will be lost but if these are backed up >>>properly, they are easily restored. >>>>I'll let others answer your other questions. I hope this was >>>helpful. >>>>Joe G. >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Date: Friday, Jun 19, 2009 13:44:36 >>>>Subject: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> For those of you using the Braille Sense Plus, I would like to ask >>>>> you a small favor: could you respond with all the bad things >>>>> (missing features, bugs, data corruption, and so on) that you have >>>>> found with your unit? I am closer now to being able to get one of >>>>> these to replace my BN, but I want to know the "real story" behind >>>>> the BSP's operation in daily life before I >>>proceed. >>>>> Note that I am a student going into either software design or >>>web >>>>> programming, I am not sure which yet, with two years of school >>>>> remaining. I know the technical specs, but no one in my state has >>>>> one that I can look at and use first-hand; I have only your >>>>> responses and the reviews and podcasts around the Internet to guide >>>>> me. I would like to know the following, and sorry it is such a >>>>> long list, but then again, it is a lot of money. >>>>> 1. How annoying constantly pressing the tab and shift-tab key >>>>> combos gets? >>>>> 2. How often can you do things with a shortcut key to avoid >>>>> tabbing five times? >>>>> 3. What can the wordprocessor not handle? >>>>> 4. What problems do you find when browsing the Internet? >>>>> 5. How often does the unit lock up, resulting in a reset and >>>>> therefore a loss of data? >>>>> 6. What problems still exist with the email program, even after >>>>> the firmware updates? >>>>> 7. What external device compatibility issues, if any, have you >>>>> found? >>>>> 8. Can Bluetooth do object exchange, and is it stable? >>>>> 9. Can you browse networks? >>>>> 10. How is printing as far as formatting, printer support, font >>>>> changes, retaining page setup (such as centered lines, line >>>>> spacing, etc)? >>>>> 11. How is the Braille display after months of use? >>>>> 12. Is Wifi stable, or does it often drop connections, connect to >>>>> networks it cannot actually see, you get the idea? >>>>> 13. Can it take SDHC cards? >>>>> 14. Does the DSL jack always work properly? >>>>> 15. How is battery, with and without wifi, bluetooth, and so >>>on? >>>>> 16. Can you turn on and off speech and braille independently? >>>>> 17. If you came from a BN, how is the Braille display >>>scrolling? >>>>> 18. How does it handle translation to and from grade 2? >>>>> 19. Can one use computer braille languages other than English? >>>>> 20. How does the LCD display work in real-life applications? It is >>>>> a good concept, but is it easy to display what you want, to turn it >>>>> off, and so on? >>>>> 21. How easy is it to buy and install a new battery? >>>>> 22. If you are a student, what problems have you found in classes, >>>>> such as unsupported files, trouble with emails, and the like? >>>>> 23. For GWM staff: any plans to incorporate Nemeth, UEB, or other >>>>> useful codes? >>>>> 24. What media file size cannot be played? If you play a 150mb DVS >>>>> movie, for example, will it work / will the system bog down any? >>>>> 25. How does the unit react to high heat and/or humidity? Cold? >>>>> 26. How are new lines represented? On the BN, they can be a one or >>>>> two cell intentation on the display, or an ed sign followed >>>by >>>>> a people. I always set it to indent one cell, since there is no >>>other >>>>> reason for the display to ever indent in text, so any indent is >>>a >>>>> new line and it feels more like a Brailled document and makes more >>>>> sense, to me at least. >>>>> 27. Is there a limit to the number attachments in an email? The BN >>>>> will not send more than 7, I believe. >>>>> 28. Technical: what Javascript does the unit support? For example, >>>>> the BN supports onload, onunload, and onclick, but not onchange, >>>>> onfocus, onkeypress, and the rest. >>>>> 29. How is filling out fields on the BSP? >>>>> 30. Have you run into issues where keys would stick or in any >>>>> other way not work? >>>>> 31. What version of JS does the browser have? Will it support >>>>> dhtml (the innerHTML method on objects)? >>>>> 32. Overall, how do you like your unit for what you do with it? >>>>> Please tell me anything you do not like about the unit, even if >>>I >>>>> did not cover it? >>>>> You can reply off-list to avoid Raul's or Jeremy's wrath (JK guys). >>>>> Thanks in advance for any responses. >>>>> Have a great day, >>>>> Alex >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 4173 (20090620) __________ >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >http://www.eset.com >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 4173 (20090620) __________ >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4173 (20090620) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4173 (20090620) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
