Hi, It's more than that: It is due to low memory alongside other web browser things. For those who want to do it, I suggest that you Google "virtual memory under Windows CE 5.0" to get handful of articles on why BSP freezes on web browser app. Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Keithley [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 2:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed The problem of the BS hanging while trying to download a website still occurs on the plus. I think the problem has more to do with the browser not responding to cookies or a Jjava script. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Hall <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, Jun 20, 2009 18:35:04 Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed > > > Anyone with a Plus: does this sort of thing still happen? Even if > a site will not load, will it at least hang and let you cancel > it, instead of having to reset? > > Have a great day, > Alex > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >From: Sarah May <[email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Date sent: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:23:53 -0500 > >Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: opinions needed > > >Hi Alex, > > >I have a Braille Sense original. I find that when the unit is > trying to download a site in the web browser that is large, > either it takes forever or it will lock up and freeze the unit on > me. So you using that as an example, and you said that you don't > know if it happens or not, it does on the older unit of the > Braille Sense. I'm not sure if the problem has been fixed with > the Braille Sense Plus. > > >Sarah > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Alex Hall <[email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Date: 2009/06/20 22:10:45 > >Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: OPINIONS NEEDED > > > > >> I have done so, but nothing beats hands-on. Still, I ask the > >> list these questions because there is plenty that the manual > will > >> not say. For example, it will not tell you that you can do it > you as > >> instead of the standard way, or that sometimes the web browser > >> will lock up on large sites (no idea if it does or not, it is > >> just an example), and so on. > > >> Have a great day, > >> Alex > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Tessa" <[email protected] > >>>To: <[email protected] > >>>Date sent: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:52:21 com0400 > >>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: OPINIONS NEEDED > > >>>Alex, > >>>No one here has one either, I downloaded the manual and read it > >> end to end > >>>when I first considered buying one. Later I talked to a vender > >> and asked him > >>>to put me in touch with someone who had used the bsp. > >>>I suggest you read the manual. > >>>Tessa > > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Alex Hall" <[email protected] > >>>To: <[email protected] > >>>Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:35 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: OPINIONS NEEDED > > > >>>So pressing Enter on a message will automatically open it, then > >>>you can delete it read the next one, or tab or shift-tab out of > >>>the body and to the other fields. Believe me, I would like > >>>nothing more than to see this thing live, but no one has them > >>>around here so I cannot. We are lucky to have an extra > >>>Braillenote, and that is all the schools buy. > > >>>Have a great day, > >>>Alex > > >>>ar ----- Original Message ----- > >>>arFrom: "don bishop" <[email protected] > >>>arTo: <[email protected] > >>>arDate sent: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:20:47 com0700 > >>>arSubject: Re: [GWN] BSP: OPINIONS NEEDED > > >>>arAlex, > > >>>arA slight correction and maybe even a clarification. > Admittedly, > >>>the > >>>aremail program really does need some work. But, when you scroll > >>>through > >>>ara list of messages you can have the subject, date, or sender as > >>>the > >>>arfield shown. Also, You can have each message opened if you tab > >>>to that. > >>>arIn other words, if you tab to the open message item, the > message > >>>will > >>>arbe opened. If you delete it, then the next message will be > >>>opened. You > >>>arcan still tab to the from, date, or subject field if you like. > > >>>arIf you're on the subject field, for example, and wish to open > the > >>>armessage, just press enter and the message will open. > > >>>arSome of these items are a bit awkward to describe, and I'd > really > >>>arsuggest you try to see a unit yourself and experiment to see > just > >>>what > >>>aryou can and cannot do. > > >>>arI honestly think a description of how to perform some of these > >>>tasks > >>>arisn't nearly as helpful as seeing a live demo. > > >>>arJust my thoughts. > > >>>arDon > > > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>arFrom: "Alex Hall" <[email protected] > >>>arTo: <[email protected] > >>>arSent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:21 AM > >>>arSubject: RE: [GWN] BSP: OPINIONS NEEDED > > > >>>>> Hmmm... The bn already cannot check multiple accounts at once > >>>or > >>>>> filter, so that is no change. Tabbing will get frustrating as I > >>>am > >>>>> constantly emailing, though with only one account; I get around > >>>150 > >>>>> messages a day, easily. You cannot simply press enter to open > >>>the > >>>>> message? What about what someone mentioned, about using the > >>>scroll > >>>>> keys in place of tab and shift-tab? Is that possible here? If > >>>so, it > >>>>> seems that doing that would be no different from spacing through > >>>the > >>>>> email info like I already do on the bn. > > >>>>> Have a great day, > >>>>> Alex > > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>From: "Richard Turner" <[email protected] > >>>>>>To: <[email protected] > >>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:01:28 com0700 > >>>>>>Subject: RE: [GWN] BSP: OPINIONS NEEDED > > >>>>>>Not to mention that Humanware shows no signs of catching up to > >>>>> the 21st > >>>>>>century with their units. > >>>>>>Alex, I have not used the unit in all of the areas that your > >>>>> questions > >>>>>>addressed, but in spite of a few irritations with the e-mail > >>>>> program, the > >>>>>>other things are very easy to live with. > >>>>>>I always do final editing on a computer, so the limits of the > >>>>> word processer > >>>>>>don't bother me. > > >>>>>>About e-mails. If you use e-mail a ton, this is the one area you > >>>>> may get a > >>>>>>bit tired of, especially if you have more than one e-mail > >>>>> account. > >>>>>>1. You have to check e-mail for each account separately. > >>>>>>2. You can not create a filter to sort the e-mail from the > >>>>> different > >>>>>>accounts into a separate mail box. So, for example, if you get > >>>>> 30 messages > >>>>>>from one account, then get 30 more from another account, they are > >>>>> sorted by > >>>>>>the date stamp by default. So, the messages will be all mixed up > >>>>> so the > >>>>>>first couple might be from account A, the next ten might be from > >>>>> account b, > >>>>>>and so forth. > >>>>>>3. You cannot read the subject, date and sender information at > >>>>> once, you > >>>>>>have to tab from the subject field, to the date field, to the > >>>>> from field. > >>>>>>One more tab opens the message. > >>>>>>4. This is, in some ways, the most irritating part of the > >>>>> e-mail. You do > >>>>>>not have a sent folder, nor a trash folder. Once you delete a > >>>>> message, it > >>>>>>is gone. > > >>>>>>If you have, or want, GPS, IT IS STILL NOT UPDATED TO THE LATEST > >>>>> Sendero > >>>>>>release, which means it does not have as many features as the > >>>>> latest version > >>>>>>on the BrailleNotes. > > >>>>>>All that being said, I would still choose the Braille Sense Plus > >>>>> over a > >>>>>>BrailleNote. For devices with an onboard braille display, I do > >>>>> think it is > >>>>>>the best. > >>>>>>I hope the e-mail program gets updated soon, as that is the area > >>>>> most > >>>>>>lacking in my opinion. > > >>>>>>Richard > > > > >>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>From: Alex Hall [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>>Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:57 PM > >>>>>>To: [email protected] > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: OPINIONS NEEDED > > >>>>>>I think the bsp is better because it seems to lock up less > >>>>> online, it has > >>>>>>8gb of internal storage compared to the bn's 120mb, it has MSN > >>>>> Messenger, > >>>>>>the company supports their products much better, it has built-in > >>>>> wifi, I do > >>>>>>not have to send my unit back for several weeks just to get a new > >>>>> battery, > >>>>>>it has an lcd display so sighted partners and teachers can see > >>>>> what I am > >>>>>>doing without me emailing them or using Keyview, it has a mode > >>>>> that lets it > >>>>>>act as a mass storage device for a pc, so I do not have to fight > >>>>> with Active > >>>>>>Sync just to put some files on it from my pc, it has media > >>>>> keys... I could > >>>>>>go on, but you get the idea. > > >>>>>>Have a great day, > >>>>>>Alex > > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>From: estin <[email protected] > >>>>>>>To: [email protected] > >>>>>>>Date sent: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:14:36 +1200 > >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: OPINIONS NEEDED > > >>>>>>>Alex This is Estin what made you decide to change units. > >>>>>>>Also how much is a braille sense plus now. > > >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>From: Alex Hall <[email protected] > >>>>>>>>To: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>Date sent: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:25:56 com0400 > >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: OPINIONS NEEDED > > >>>>>>>>Thank you. I know all my questions were negative, but that is > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>>point; I hear all the praise about the unit on reviews and > >>>>> podcasts, > >>>>>>>>but never anything bad, as one would expect. I wanted the "dark > >>>>>>>>side", if such a thing exists for the BSP, FROM THE ACTUAL, > >>>>> real-life > >>>>>>>>user before I go about making the switch. I have used a bn since > >>>>>>>>2002, so moving to a new unit is a huge deal, plus, of course, it > >>>>>>>>costs a lot. I am not worried about getting used to the > >>>>> intercace, > >>>>>>>>since I also have used Windows since 200 or so, but it seems like > >>>>> some > >>>>>>>>things would be more annothing, like having to tab a whole bunch > >>>>> of > >>>>>>>>times just to get to, say, the OKAY BUTTON. > > >>>>>>>>Have a great day, > >>>>>>>>Alex > > >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>From: Joe Giovanelli <[email protected] > >>>>>>>>>To: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>Date sent: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:15:37 com0800 > >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [GWN] BSP: OPINIONS NEEDED > > >>>>>>>>>Hi, Alex, > > >>>>>>>>>There's no way I can reply to all of your questions. > > >>>>>>>>>I don't think this unit supports video files. > > > >>>>>>>>>It does play MP 3, Daisy, Wav and some others. > > >>>>>>>>>It reads HTML PERFECTLY WELL. > > >>>>>>>>>It handles forms found on the Internet very well. There is no, > >>>>>>>>separate forms mode. You are just presented with the edit box. > > >>>>>>>>>The keyboard on the Braille Sense is the best keyboard I have > >>>>>>>>seen, and that includes your Braille Note. I have heard about > >>>>> only > >>>>>>>>problem with the keyboard from only one person. I've logged lots > >>>>> of > >>>>>>>>hours on the unit and it works as well as the day I got it. > > >>>>>>>>>The battery is easy to change. > > >>>>>>>>>I have not timed how long the battery will last under varying > >>>>>>>>conditions. I usually get a day's work from the unit. > > >>>>>>>>>There definitely are translation problems from ASCII TO Braille > >>>>>>>>and vice versa and the errors are not consststent. If I want to > >>>>> have > >>>>>>>>a document look good, I use ASCII VIA A USB KEYBOARD. > > >>>>>>>>>All your questions are negative. This unit has some definite > >>>>>>>>good qualities. The word processor works well. It does what the > >>>>>>>>manual says it does. Formatting is not complete. There isn't a > >>>>>>>>shortcut key for centering. > > >>>>>>>>>There is a hot key for tabbing forward but you do need a > >>>>>>>>combination key for shift-tab. > > >>>>>>>>>Forget about printing unless you happen to have a printer which > >>>>>>>>supports PCL 3; IT MUST BE HP COMPATIBLE. The serial port > >>>>>>>>cannot be used for a printer connection. This printing thing is > >>>>> my > >>>>>>>>biggest gripe about this unit. > > >>>>>>>>>We don't see too many releases. We won't see a release just for > >>>>>>>>bug fixes. A release will fix these, but it will also contain > >>>>> major > >>>>>>>>feature additions. > > > >>>>>>>>>I'm writing this in Braille; the e-mail will first be translated > >>>>>>>>into Ascii, so you may see a couple of translation errors. > > >>>>>>>>>I should say that the wireless LAN WORKS VERY WELL. I have never > >>>>>>>>had a drop-out. > > >>>>>>>>>In general, data is not lost during a reset unless it has not > >>>>>>>>been saved. All settings will be lost but if these are backed up > >>>>>>>>properly, they are easily restored. > > >>>>>>>>>I'll let others answer your other questions. I hope this was > >>>>>>>>helpful. > > >>>>>>>>>Joe G. > > > > >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>From: Alex Hall <[email protected] > >>>>>>>>>To: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>Date: Friday, Jun 19, 2009 13:44:36 > >>>>>>>>>Subject: [GWN] BSP: OPINIONS NEEDED > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>>>>> For those of you using the Braille Sense Plus, I would like to > >>>>> ask > >>>>>>>>>> you a small favor: could you respond with all the bad things > >>>>>>>>>> (missing features, bugs, data corruption, and so on) that you > >>>>> have > >>>>>>>>>> found with your unit? I am closer now to being able to get one > >>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>> these to replace my BN, BUT I want to know the "real story" > >>>>> behind > >>>>>>>>>> the BSP's operation in daily life before I > >>>>>>>>proceed. > >>>>>>>>>> Note that I am a student going into either software design or > >>>>>>>>web > >>>>>>>>>> programming, I am not sure which yet, with two years of school > >>>>>>>>>> remaining. I know the technical specs, but no one in my state > >>>>> has > >>>>>>>>>> one that I can look at and use first-hand; I have only your > >>>>>>>>>> responses and the reviews and podcasts around the Internet to > >>>>> guide > >>>>>>>>>> me. I would like to know the following, and sorry it is such a > >>>>>>>>>> long list, but then again, it is a lot of money. > >>>>>>>>>> 1. How annoying constantly pressing the tab and shift-tab key > >>>>>>>>>> combos gets? > >>>>>>>>>> 2. How often can you do things with a shortcut key to avoid > >>>>>>>>>> tabbing five times? > >>>>>>>>>> 3. What can the wordprocessor not handle? > >>>>>>>>>> 4. What problems do you find when browsing the Internet? > >>>>>>>>>> 5. How often does the unit lock up, resulting in a reset and > >>>>>>>>>> therefore a loss of data? > >>>>>>>>>> 6. What problems still exist with the email program, even after > >>>>>>>>>> the firmware updates? > >>>>>>>>>> 7. What external device compatibility issues, if any, have you > >>>>>>>>>> found? > >>>>>>>>>> 8. Can Bluetooth do object exchange, and is it stable? > >>>>>>>>>> 9. Can you browse networks? > >>>>>>>>>> 10. How is printing as far as formatting, printer support, font > >>>>>>>>>> changes, retaining page setup (such as centered lines, line > >>>>>>>>>> spacing, etc)? > >>>>>>>>>> 11. How is the Braille display after months of use? > >>>>>>>>>> 12. Is Wifi stable, or does it often drop connections, connect > >>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> networks it cannot actually see, you get the idea? > >>>>>>>>>> 13. Can it take SDHC CARDS? > >>>>>>>>>> 14. Does the DSL JACK ALWAYS WORK PROPERLY? > >>>>>>>>>> 15. How is battery, with and without wifi, bluetooth, and so > >>>>>>>>on? > >>>>>>>>>> 16. Can you turn on and off speech and braille independently? > >>>>>>>>>> 17. If you came from a BN, HOW IS THE Braille display > >>>>>>>>scrolling? > >>>>>>>>>> 18. How does it handle translation to and from grade 2? > >>>>>>>>>> 19. Can one use computer braille languages other than English? > >>>>>>>>>> 20. How does the LCD DISPLAY WORK IN REAL-LIFE APPLICATIONS? It > >>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>> a good concept, but is it easy to display what you want, to turn > >>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>> off, and so on? > >>>>>>>>>> 21. How easy is it to buy and install a new battery? > >>>>>>>>>> 22. If you are a student, what problems have you found in > >>>>> classes, > >>>>>>>>>> such as unsupported files, trouble with emails, and the like? > >>>>>>>>>> 23. For GWM STAFF: ANY PLANS TO INCORPORATE Nemeth, UEB, OR > >>>>> other > >>>>>>>>>> useful codes? > >>>>>>>>>> 24. What media file size cannot be played? If you play a 150mb > >>>>> DVS > >>>>>>>>>> movie, for example, will it work / will the system bog down any? > >>>>>>>>>> 25. How does the unit react to high heat and/or humidity? Cold? > >>>>>>>>>> 26. How are new lines represented? On the BN, THEY CAN BE A ONE > >>>>> or > >>>>>>>>>> two cell intentation on the display, or an ed sign followed > >>>>>>>>by > >>>>>>>>>> a people. I always set it to indent one cell, since there is no > >>>>>>>>other > >>>>>>>>>> reason for the display to ever indent in text, so any indent is > >>>>>>>>a > >>>>>>>>>> new line and it feels more like a Brailled document and makes > >>>>> more > >>>>>>>>>> sense, to me at least. > >>>>>>>>>> 27. Is there a limit to the number attachments in an email? The > >>>>> BN > >>>>>>>>>> will not send more than 7, I believe. > >>>>>>>>>> 28. Technical: what Javascript does the unit support? For > >>>>> example, > >>>>>>>>>> the BN SUPPORTS ONLOAD, ONUNLOAD, AND ONCLICK, BUT NOT ONCHANGE, > >>>>>>>>>> onfocus, onkeypress, and the rest. > >>>>>>>>>> 29. How is filling out fields on the BSP? > >>>>>>>>>> 30. Have you run into issues where keys would stick or in any > >>>>>>>>>> other way not work? > >>>>>>>>>> 31. What version of JS DOES THE BROWSER HAVE? Will it support > >>>>>>>>>> dhtml (the innerHTML METHOD ON OBJECTS)? > >>>>>>>>>> 32. Overall, how do you like your unit for what you do with it? > >>>>>>>>>> Please tell me anything you do not like about the unit, even if > >>>>>>>>I > >>>>>>>>>> did not cover it? > >>>>>>>>>> You can reply off-list to avoid Raul's or Jeremy's wrath (JK > >>>>> guys). > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any responses. > > >>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, > >>>>>>>>>> Alex > > > > >>>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > >>>>> virus signature > >>>>>>database 4173 (20090620) __________ > > >>>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > >>>>>>http://www.eset.com > > > > > >>>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > >>>>> virus signature > >>>>>>database 4173 (20090620) __________ > > >>>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > >>>>>>http://www.eset.com > > > > >>>>> __________ NOD32 4173 (20090620) Information __________ > > >>>>> This message was checked by NOD32 ANTIVIRUS SYSTEM. > >>>>> http://www.eset.com > > > > > >Sarah M. 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