Weighing in again on this.
 
> And from the other end of the spectrum... My grandmother was raised in the 
> south before we knew some of the things we know now about nutrition, fat, 
> etc. Everything she ate as a child and cooked as an adult had bacon fat, 
> butter, cream etc. Many dishes were fried and/or had gravy on them. I think 
> you get the picture. She didn't "work out" and only received the exercise 
> gained from house and yard work. She wasn't obese, but she wasn't stick thin 
> either. She was a bit "fluffy" but by no means fat.

I'm in the same boat - German heritage - lots of fried stuff, slices of 
butter on bread, butter fades into cakes by the pound ....
As long as we were working on the farm or in construction all was well.

That being said - the science is clear - ALL fats are unhealthy.  Basically they
stop your blood vessles from dilating for hours after you eat any fat.  It
dammages the walls, makes the platlets more sticky.  Know anyone with a heart
bypass yet?  Truth is all of their arteries are clogged. The Vietnam soldiers
who died in their early 20's all had signs of arteries clogging.  Based upon
that you can assume that everyone living a western diet has clogged arteries
and should be on a no-added-fat diet.

That being said; some people absorb lots of cholesterol from their diet and
some pass it right thru like a carnivore.

The science is not perfectly clear and never will be.  We know that the more
vegetarian the diet the healthier the people are.  We know that WHOLE foods
provide phytochemicals, fiber and a host of other things that help fight
cancer, obesity etc.  We know that active people eating such diets are
never overweight (go to rural China some time); yet when they adopt our
diet they adopt our diseases.

Science is barking up the wrong tree by testing things in isolation.  We now
know that, chemically created vitamins increase cancer, heart disease and
a host of other problems.  The solution to our health problems is expensive
drugs with nasty side effects and isolated chemical supplements.

That's why I like Dr. John McDougalls take.  Eat what our bodies are adapted
to - a whole food, no added fat, mostly vegetarian diet.  Eat foods that have
generations of safe consumption behind them.

For anyone with MS check out the Swank diet.

For anyone with thyriod problems you really need to read what Dr. John McDougall
has found in research.  Slightly elevated thyroid hormone results in increased
cholesterol and risk of strokes and heart attacks.  You should treat before
you are offically hypothyroid.  Don't believe that soy & brassica and other
things (sea weed) have anything to do with it - there is no science behind that;
not unless you are deficient in iodine and with the amount of (iodized) salt we
get in our diet that ain't a possible.

Yes weight gain with hypothyroid is normal as is thickening of the skin....
There are a wack of symptoms and apparently it's usually an autoimmune disease
and if you have one you'll likely get another.  Read books by Mary Shomon for
hints about dealing with the weight.

I've been there, foods made no difference, but my cholesterol and weight came
down on medication. Armour works better for some - again read the books by
Mary Shomon.  In my case if I take the Thyroxine 3 hours after eating it's
as if I never took it - but it works if I take it an hour before eating.

McDougall Hot Health Issues: http://www.drmcdougall.com/medical_hottopics.html
McDougall Thyroid Summary:   
http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/december/thyroid.htm

Recently I sorted my pants into two piles - those I could never wear again
and those that I could only hold up with a belt.  I now fit into my doublets
that I made 15 years ago; they're kind of loose now actually.

 - Eric

Not our of a job yet?  Keep buying foreign.
Kids got asmetha yet?  Keep driving.
Planet destroyed yet?  Keep consuming.
Have you left the planet better than you found it?
Have you left anything behind for your kids and their kids?
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