On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Shlomi Fish wrote: > It's free as in speech not free as in beer. Either we burn enough CDs to
The installation is free. The CDs might be free based on sponsorship. > give to anyone on our own expense, or tell them that either they buy CDs, We can't "tell" them. We may suggest them. They have minds. They can decide. Let the person who gets the service from us, to choose what he wants to buy (you can tell him the advantages/disadvantages of buying the CDs, but it shouldn't look like you force him. You'll miss the whole point of the party if you do so). > download stuf over an Internet, or simply be content with what they'll get Once again, you assume that they will want to do it, and you assume that they have fast connection to the Internet. > So you're saying: fine! Let's install a system that can be eventually > exploited for crackers to gain access on the machine and do all kinds of I'm the last person who says that. I say that we should give them a flexible machine, with simple security tweaks. Afterwards, we shall let them choose what they wish to do with it, at home (every case is personal, after all). You can't close their computer to the rest of the world, and let them think that "Linux doesn't work in the Internet". However, you may tell them that their computer is vulnerable and they should do more (reading, checking, maybe even use some auto-configuration scripts...) in order to protect their systems. I'll try to give some of these concepts in my SiL lecture, btw. You also can't really defend them against crackers (unless you want to visit them on a daily basis and update their system every day). They should do so themselves, if they want (with Gentoo I would simply tell them to emerge world, but let's leave that aside ;). > nasty stuff there. Fine, let's not educate people that they need to be We're not educators. We're spreading the word, or we do the best to spread the word. If you think otherwise (i.e. I opened a hole for flames) - I'm not going to argue about it. > responsible and clueful when using a computer. Sorry, but it doesn't work > in the long run. It will be bad for them and will be bad for us. In the long run they will need to read stuff and keep learning, or they can stick to their current configuration (some people still use kernel 2.0.x, and/or Redhat 7.3, for instance) - their choise. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ > > You are banished! You are banished! You are banished! > > Hey? I'm just kidding! > -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 ____________________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
