OK. OK. Let's calm down a bit. I did not mean to step on any sore nerves (although there does seem to be lots of these with Vista).

My thought: An IT Admin is that person that works in a commercial space to maintain his/her companies computer/internet infrastructure. For this work, he/she is paid a salary. That he/she is able to transfer these skills/experience from a commercial space to his/her home environment and implement the same experience/ability is not part of my definition. Perhaps I might just be too old......... :)

Brian, like you, I could be an IT Admin. I administer my home LAN of 5 machines, 2 switches, 1 router, and a dsl modem. And this, just to be able to get to the "internet" for all of my charges. Do I feel like an IT Admin? Not a bit! This LAN business is something I may never figure out. That it seems to work as well as it has for all these years is a prayer I say to the many that came before I even started playing with this stuff... :)
I'm stupid now; but I'll get smarter via this List!  That I am certain of.

The basis of my rant was that on this List WE are Early Adopters. Period. We do play with everything just as soon as WE can get our grubby keyboard on it. I do understand this. This is an admirable service to a community that most likely just "does not care" for the most part......(I suspect)

I vented. I ranted. That is all. If there are members that have and like Vista, fine. I accept this; just as I accept the fact that most of the members I share thoughts with are far ahead of me in both skills and general computer knowledge. I learn a bit each day from all of you. Just a List
member sharing with the community at large.
Best,
Duncan

At 16:11 01/15/2008 -0500, you wrote:
I would think that any time saved for admins by the group policy
improvements would be totally wiped out by the added timesinks of all
the other stuff I mentioned.

Although I can't prove it - I just administer my 3 machines and that
is timesink enough :)

On Jan 15, 2008 3:42 PM, Greg Sevart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, I understand completely. If you go back and look, however, I was
> responding specifically to Brian's primary position that Vista is especially
> bad for IT admins.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DHSinclair
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:42 PM
> > To: [email protected]
>
> > Subject: Re: [H] Save XP!
> >
> > Greg,
> > Can we agree that "IT administrators" is a very small subset of total
> > expected/planned users?  I do understand your focus, but let's look at
> > this just a bit more broadly. Thanks.
> > Best,
> > Duncan
> >
> > At 13:05 01/15/2008 -0600, you wrote:
> > >I disagree. There are a number of substantial improvements in Vista
> > for
> > >group policy configuration that are great for IT administrators. But
> > people
> > >tend to overlook those things and zero in on the interface. Frankly,
> > the
> > >interface is among the least interesting things about Vista for me.
> > >
> > >
> > snip
>
>
>
>



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