Wow, this is great! Good luck with this, and let me know what I can do to help!
V> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:48 AM, Cody Firestone <[email protected]> wrote: > This may be a bit more than you were considering initially, but it gives > and example of how to get funding on the KickStarter website and I can help > with Hexayurt graphics and t shirt - i have a silkscreen kit. > * > * > * > * > *HexaYurt Project - Destination Black Rock City 2011.* > * > * > *Summary:* > * > * > Experimental feasibility project for sustainable 4-season, user built > mobile housing. > > *Description:* > * > * > The HexaYurt; ( http://hexayurt.com/ ) is a grassroots designed mobile > shelter which is able to be erected by two persons in a short period of > time. It is ideally suited to disaster situations due to it's use of > standard building materials and it's "near zero" construction waste > footprint. Able to shelter a small family, it allows for > the reusable panels to be expanded as needed, and quickly moved from Refugee > camp, to semi-permanent dwelling, to Long term Housing unit. > > This experiment is to transition a Hexayurt made of 2 inch Foam...blah blah > blah from a northern summer in Wisconsin, to the Black Rock Desert of > Nevada for the Burning man Festival and then to return for a "winter over." > The purpose is to determine the reuseablity and fragility of the Therma > whatever panels in a variety of environments, and to maintain a comfortable > secure living space. > > Essential to this project is the need to use inexperienced builders, who > for the first time, are constructing a Hexayurt along with the web based > advice of the Hexayurt community. By building this shelter in this way, it > looks a a "Real World" experimental situation where individuals will trust > their life safety to the effectiveness of the Hexayurt structure, and test > extremes not previously explored. > > *Proposal:* > * > * > The funding for this project will purchase the materials to build the > Haxayurt, provide for some transportation costs to and from Black Rock City, > and allow for documentation of the project on a go forward basis. Some of > the items needed include: > > A Dual "weather station" with sensors inside and outside the Hexayurt to > provide habitability data. > > Internet bandwidth and remote storage devices ( use of a laptop) to record > the readings and publish the results on a "real time" basis as much as > possible. > > Non-reusable materials such as tape, anchor rebar and other simple hand > tools necessary in the construction and maintenance of the Hexayurt. > > This data and the results of the testing will be published on the > Hexayurt Website, with all sponsors prominently listed. Donations may be in > kind (for building materials) or cash. The reuse of surplus building > materials which meet the specifications of the proposal would > be glamorously received. > > *What do I get:* > * > * > 10 DOLLARS OR LESS > > Recognition on the HexaYurt Website and a warm welcome to inspect the > Hexayurt and meet the co-creators at the various sites where it will be > installed. > > 50 DOLLARS - > > Recognition on the HexaYurt Website and a warm welcome to inspect the > Hexayurt and meet the co-creators at the various sites where it will be > installed. > > Complementary beverage at an On-Site reception / showing of the Hexayurt as > installed in Black Rock City. > > 100 DOLLARS: > > Recognition on the HexaYurt Website and a printed certificate of > support suitable for framing; and a warm welcome to inspect the Hexayurt and > meet the co-creators at the various sites where it will be installed. > > Complementary beverage at an On-Site reception / showing of the Hexayurt as > installed in Black Rock City. > > Specially Made "Hexayurt - Black Rock City" T-shirt (design pending) > > 500 DOLLARS: > > Recognition on the HexaYurt Website and a printed certificate of > support suitable for framing; and a warm welcome to inspect the Hexayurt and > meet the co-creators at the various sites where it will be installed. > > Complementary beverage at an On-Site reception / showing of the Hexayurt as > installed in Black Rock City. > > Specially Made "Hexayurt - Black Rock City" T-shirt (design pending) > > Relax in the Hexayurt "on Playa" for a night of dust free cool comfort. > (limited to two donors) > > > > Jun 27, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Cody Firestone <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Brian Chabot <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> (Comments interspersed below...) >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter >>> Project) <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >> 1. Is there an "ideal" thickness of Thermax HD to use? I will have >>> >> significant snow loads to deal with in the winter and the more >>> >> insulation I can get, the better. But the 2" boards are already $53 >>> >> each and sound like they will be more than a handful to manipulate on >>> >> site. >>> > >>> > 2" sounds pretty reasonable. 1" is warm, 2" will be warmer, and >>> stronger. >>> >>> At $53 a board... OUCH! >>> >>> > Remember these are foam panels. I'm not *at all* sure that even a >>> Pentayurt >>> > in 2" thermax will survive three feet of snow - you're talking about a >>> ton >>> > or more of snow over that roof area... >>> >>> I still want to see this tested. The even distribution of snow vs. a >>> weight in any one point is the key. In icy or "falling snow" >>> conditions (such as under eaves or trees), no I don't think it would >>> hold up, but natural snowfall? More likely. >>> >> >> *Check out the manufacturer website / specs. Perhaps even ASK for the >> engineers datum. It will show the PSF for different situations.* >> *I can help with my timber framing knowledge, but not a "licensed" >> engineer... but our two towers stood 60 mph wind storms last year and didnt >> wiggle!* >> * >> * >> >>> >>> >> 4. I happen to have a concrete slab already in place where I plan to >>> >> build this... Any suggestions on anchoring? I have a friend who is >>> >> well-versed in conventional building techniques, so I know that he can >>> >> help me drill the slab and put in anchors - just tie to these instead >>> >> of using stakes, etc.? >>> > >>> > Yep, that's how I'd approach it. >>> >>> Also keep in mind the cold will get inside through the concrete floor >>> unless you insulate the inside. >>> >>> With showload, the hexayurt design is likely to stress most along the >>> seam between the alls and roof panels. I'd run a couple layers of >>> tape along this area plus an overlap above and below, just to make >>> sure. >>> >> >> *Since you have this concrete footing, I'd Suggest "sill plates"* >> *basiclly you go a rent a "HILTI" gun which shoots very strong nails into >> concrete with a cartritdge like a gun. Yeah....* >> * >> * >> *So you outline the footprint of the hexayurt in Pressure treated 2x4's >> HILTI nailed to the conctere. You can then place anchor points where ever >> you like.* >> * >> * >> *The other main improvement is increased rigidity. The snow on the roof >> of the dome will cause outward pressure at the base.* >> *the weight will be transmitted from the angled rook, into the upright >> boards, and it will want to "Splay" and deform , eventually the footing >> slips and you have a collapse.* >> * >> * >> *If you put in sill plates, and build the foam panels inside this >> footprint, it is like having foundation .* >> * >> * >> *PS concerete is notoriously wet and slippery in winter, so the sills >> arouns you hut will also prevent it some moving around in the wind, etc.* >> >>> >>> > Not trivial *at all* Robert. I'm only sorry we don't know the answers! >>> > >>> > But please write up what you do and what you learn, and we'll get the >>> whole >>> > thing figured out over time, a building at a time. >>> >>> As those on this list can attest, I've been trying to get a hexayurt >>> (or pentayurt) set up in New England for destructive testing under >>> snow load to see the limits. So far, we simply have not been able to >>> afford to buy panels we are reasonably certain won't last. Even the >>> 1" is un-affordable in the current economic condition of those I've >>> been able to get in on it. I have had an offer for tape and I found >>> three locations, from central MA to northern VT, but no panels... >>> >> >> *I suggest: 1. develop a cost analysis. for example how many panels, how >> much donations, etc.* >> * >> * >> *2. Start a project on http://www.kickstarter.com/ Most Burning Man art >> projects get their funding this way. you could raise a few hundred dollars. >> Say "this is infrastructural testing for future Playa built insulated >> dwellings." some corporate sounding language like that, and i bet you have >> a few people sign up.* >> * >> * >> *3. Talk to the MANUFACTUIRER.... they may support a "trial of their >> product in a new use, and to develop more enviromental uses and BLAH BLAH >> BLAH" Vinay could probably help with this language.* >> * >> * >> *To the company that makes this stuff, we are talking a pallet of >> product, 20 sheets lets say?* >> *so to PROVE their product would work, etc gives them a couple things, a. >> braggin rights that they are doing something "good" b. a new market to >> market to (especially for small sheds, outbuildingd, etc) 3. build a new >> customer base by demonstrating effeacy, and thus having more people pay >> "full price" for the material.* >> * >> * >> *Aluminet, which is now a staple for many playa camps,l was not much of a >> consumer product. it was for specific insulating issues in industry. Now, >> highly sought after , at least in the burner community.* >> * >> * >> *Take a lot of pictures, be effusive in your praise, or honest "it didnt >> work" and then provide press releases to anyone you can think of.* >> >>> >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "hexayurt" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt?hl=en. >>> >>> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "hexayurt" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt?hl=en. > -- Vinay Gupta Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest http://hexayurt.com - free/open next generation human sheltering http://hexayurt.com/plan - the whole systems, big picture vision "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus Twitter/Skype/Gizmo/Gtalk/AIM: hexayurt UK Cell : +44 (0) 7500 895568 / USA VOIP (+1) 775-743-1851 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hexayurt" group. 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