Yes, I think that's a very good idea - but how many suppliers are there carrying it?
Any chance you could send me a six inch square in the post so I could physically set eyes on it? V> -- *Vinay Gupta * * [email protected] <[email protected]> * *http://re.silience.com* <http://re.silience.com> *Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest* UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Kevin Fischer <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok, Ashby Lumber quoted $33.50 for 1" and $41.40 for 1.5" with no > minimum order and they'll deliver for $35 on an order over $1000. 3-5 > days for delivery. I think this is just going to be easy; hopefully > they'll start keeping it on hand as we get closer to Burning Man. > > They want specific unit quantities from us before their vendor will > give us volume pricing. > > I think we want to promote the concept of switching to Hunter XCI this > year as much as reasonable, would the org mention it in Jackrabbit > Speaks? Or other good places to reach people? > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Kevin Fischer <[email protected]> wrote: > > I asked Ashby Lumber for a quote for XCI 286 so waiting to hear back > > from them. I'm happy to help organize a group buy, but don't have > > warehouse storage space, just unsecure but in practice fine outdoor > > yard space in South Berkeley where I can also host hexayurt build > > sessions. Pretty sure we can get an order for 150 panels together, if > > that's the minimum quantity to get great pricing. > > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:58 AM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter > > Project) <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Very helpful note, DV. > >> > >> I'm going to be on the Playa this year. I'm very happy to go in on a > >> purchase - I think we'd looking at about 32 to 35 panels. > >> > >> V> > >> > >> -- > >> Vinay Gupta [email protected] http://re.silience.com > >> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest > >> UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt > >> "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was > >> in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:09 PM, D.V.Rogers <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> I worked with Thermax CI for the DOMUS project which is the same as > >>> Thermax HD except the external facer is blue instead of white. > >>> > >>> REF: http://domus.urbanaction.org > >>> > >>> Thermax CI and HD is designed to be exposed outdoors for 6-12 months > and > >>> has a great thermal rating and reasonable fire rating. > >>> The increased price difference is because its DOW :( At the time i was > >>> interested in using Hunter XCI but they didn't wish to communicate. > >>> Thermax is expensive and difficult to source on the West Coast but I > used > >>> http://foamsalesandmarketing.com/ in Burbank, C.A. for supply. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:40 PM, Kevin Fischer <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Is Thermax HD believed to be slightly better than Hunter XCI 286? To > >>>> explain the increased cost, does it have a thicker layer of glass > >>>> fiber foil that adds strength? Or is it pretty much the same thing? > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Adam Bregenzer <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > No problem, we found it at a couple of places, it seems readily > >>>> > available at commercial construction supply stores such as IDI < > >>>> > http://idi-insulation.com/ > and Allied < > >>>> > http://www.alliedbuilding.com/ >. Both were willing to sell over > the > >>>> > counter and kept the product in stock or within less than a week > >>>> > delivery, they also were willing to deliver locally. > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter > Project) > >>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Really good to know about the Hunter XCI. Thank you for finding it, > >>>> >> Adam and > >>>> >> Hunter. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Could somebody add it to the wiki? Do we have any more information > on > >>>> >> the > >>>> >> supply chain, how to actually buy the stuff? Who's stocking it? > >>>> >> > >>>> >> V> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> -- > >>>> >> Vinay Gupta [email protected] http://re.silience.com > >>>> >> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest > >>>> >> UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt > >>>> >> "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was > >>>> >> in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Adam Bregenzer < > [email protected]> > >>>> >> wrote: > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> We couldn't find anyone who would sell Thermax HD unless we bought > >>>> >>> Dow's > >>>> >>> entire minimum order from them, which is 1,100 sheets. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> The good news is we found an alternative panel, Hunter Xci 286 > (link > >>>> >>> to > >>>> >>> specs below). It has the same compressive strength and fire > rating as > >>>> >>> Thermax HD and is available in smaller quantities, also it's > cheaper > >>>> >>> than > >>>> >>> the quoted price for Thermax, but still relatively expensive at > ~$33 > >>>> >>> / > >>>> >>> sheet. The foil on both sides is a metal foil. One side is highly > >>>> >>> reflective, the other is white. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> http://www.hunterxci.com/images/submittal_docs/XCI_286_lit.pdf > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> On Jun 10, 2014 8:50 AM, "Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> After months of searching we found out no one in the bay area > will > >>>> >>>> supply > >>>> >>>> you with thermax hd (if you were buying less than 150 sheets). We > >>>> >>>> went with > >>>> >>>> Hunter xcl (?) which had similar fire properties. > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> On Jun 10, 2014 8:40 AM, "Dan March" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> Hey Tim ~ I'm also concerned with safety and look for materials > >>>> >>>>> that > >>>> >>>>> really do the job well.... and with a safety margin I'm > comfortable > >>>> >>>>> with. > >>>> >>>>> The theoretical fire-related risks in a yurt with aluminized > >>>> >>>>> interior > >>>> >>>>> surface are scary with the lens effect and other concentrating > >>>> >>>>> potentials. > >>>> >>>>> Even - or in some hypothetical cases - without the foam board > >>>> >>>>> itself > >>>> >>>>> catching fire, just having any substantial amount of stuff > burning > >>>> >>>>> in a > >>>> >>>>> heat-concentrating structure can get pretty intense. Thinking > of > >>>> >>>>> keeping > >>>> >>>>> any flames out of there, myself. I like to cook but might have > a > >>>> >>>>> separate, > >>>> >>>>> safer place to do it... also experimenting with more serious > >>>> >>>>> electrical > >>>> >>>>> power and using non-flame cooking stuffs like induction - which > >>>> >>>>> looks > >>>> >>>>> amazing btw. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> It appears to me that a well-constructed H15 (which, to me, > means > >>>> >>>>> mitered corners - which really improve the integrity of tape > joints > >>>> >>>>> & > >>>> >>>>> carrying through the structural properties of the skin over the > >>>> >>>>> foam, and > >>>> >>>>> also means well tied down and weak points like doorways > reinforced) > >>>> >>>>> made => > >>>> >>>>> 1.5" thick board should stand up to an acceptably high > percentage > >>>> >>>>> of > >>>> >>>>> possible weather on the playa. I don't think any weight > difference > >>>> >>>>> is > >>>> >>>>> practically significant. I can lift a whole H15 either way if > it's > >>>> >>>>> a > >>>> >>>>> package I can handle. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> I'm playing with Hexacomb board. It's quite a bit more rigid > but > >>>> >>>>> needs > >>>> >>>>> waterproofing and possibly some help with insulation & > reflection. > >>>> >>>>> It's > >>>> >>>>> pretty light and about half the price of HD. Also playing with > >>>> >>>>> hybrid > >>>> >>>>> systems - board captured by EMT TinkerToy. Hard to price that > kind > >>>> >>>>> of stuff > >>>> >>>>> though... more of an art statement you live in... > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> Re group buys, Home Depot might special order HD in some > quantity, > >>>> >>>>> but > >>>> >>>>> probably not necessarily a huge amount, so I'm not counting > that as > >>>> >>>>> much of > >>>> >>>>> a barrier. Costs a bit more but like you say... Either way, I > >>>> >>>>> can do the > >>>> >>>>> kits and accessories. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> ~ Dan > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Tim <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> We'd be interested in a group order as well. > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> I'm somewhat new to yurt building. I've read most of the guides > >>>> >>>>>> but am > >>>> >>>>>> yet to read up on true side-by-side comparisons of each type of > >>>> >>>>>> material for > >>>> >>>>>> playa use. I tend to "buy the best" if that makes sense, so I'm > >>>> >>>>>> attracted to > >>>> >>>>>> HD. That said, is it actually that much better on the playa? > I'm > >>>> >>>>>> also > >>>> >>>>>> curious if it weighs much more, considering structural > >>>> >>>>>> implications for an > >>>> >>>>>> H15. Thanks for any insight. Count us in if this *is* the > "best" > >>>> >>>>>> option for > >>>> >>>>>> the $$. > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, May 4, 2014 8:00:20 AM UTC-7, BurnerDan wrote: > >>>> >>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>> Safety is an issue. All campers need to be aware of the > risks - > >>>> >>>>>>> especially of fire - in sleeping in many Playa constructs, but > >>>> >>>>>>> yurts have > >>>> >>>>>>> special dangers because of their materials and tightness. > >>>> >>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>> Is there any history of encouraging smoke alarm use and do > >>>> >>>>>>> any/all > >>>> >>>>>>> such units remain reliable under Playa conditions? > >>>> >>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, February 1, 2014 6:06:59 AM UTC-8, Vinay Gupta > >>>> >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> They're tougher. > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> They're not that much more expensive. > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> They won't catch fire. > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> I feel like this would be a great year to actually fix the > >>>> >>>>>>>> supply > >>>> >>>>>>>> chain issues around Thermax HD (or equivalents from other > >>>> >>>>>>>> manufacturers), do > >>>> >>>>>>>> a container load bulk purchase, and start moving people off > >>>> >>>>>>>> R-MAX etc. until > >>>> >>>>>>>> there's a comprehensive solution for the fire risk. I really > >>>> >>>>>>>> want to solve > >>>> >>>>>>>> this problem before somebody gets hurt. > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.appropedia.org/Hexayurt_Safety_Information > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> Vinay > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> -- > >>>> >>>>>>>> Vinay Gupta > >>>> >>>>>>>> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> http://bit.ly/gupta_arc - the Gupta State Failure Management > >>>> >>>>>>>> Archive > >>>> >>>>>>>> http://bit.ly/gupta_ark - or see it directly on Archive.org > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> http://hexayurt.com - free/open next generation human > sheltering > >>>> >>>>>>>> http://hexayurt.com/plan - the whole systems, big picture > vision > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was in > me > >>>> >>>>>>>> an > >>>> >>>>>>>> invincible summer" - Albert Camus > >>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>> Twitter/Skype/Gizmo/Gtalk/AIM: hexayurt > >>>> >>>>>>>> UK Cell : +44 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